January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
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Danny Lopez), ~plus~ he was huge, putting his power in lunar trajectory.<br />
In both the movie and the book, <strong>The</strong> Greatest, sparring partner, Bossman<br />
Jones told Ali, "George is the first fighter I've been in the ring with, man,<br />
who could ~kill~ you - he can lift you off your feet with one punch!" And did,<br />
with several opponents, most notably, Norton and Frazier.On the subject<br />
of GF, on his website, he doesn't include himself in history's top ten<br />
champions, which I think is silly, and just George being humble. He also (this<br />
being a haven of <strong>Quarry</strong> enthusiasts) mentions that JQ was the best non-champion,<br />
and I'd certainly agree that he is indeed on a short list of "greatest nonchampions,"<br />
taking all divisions into account. Since Foreman-<strong>Quarry</strong> would have<br />
been a huge draw, I can't imagine it never being made. Is George being truthful<br />
about ducking <strong>Jerry</strong>, or just being humble and complimentary again? He also<br />
mentioned that if JQ had boxed Frazier and slugged with Ellis, rather than the<br />
reverse, he'd have been champ. What do you think of that statement? Slugging<br />
with Ellis would have been doable, but boxing with Frazier, successfully, wasn't<br />
that easy, as Ali found out in New York and Manilla! |<br />
|8/28/03 11:25:47 AM|Tubby Breslin|Fullerton, CA||Bearstubastanchu||||10|Well,<br />
OK, I won't defend Big George any more -- he doesn't need it. Let's tune into<br />
one thing, though. <strong>The</strong> Age of Marciano was a lot different from the Age of Ali<br />
or the Age of Lennox Lewis. In Marciano's day, popular fighters had matches<br />
every 2 or 3 months, sometimes more often. In the heavyweight class, they were<br />
smaller by 20 or 30 pounds, on the average, compared with today. <strong>The</strong>y lacked the<br />
training equipment, nutrition, and most of the comforts of today's top fighters,<br />
and most of all, the gigantic purses. Were most of the guys Marciano fought<br />
better than the guys Ali or Foreman fought? I think so, but it's arguable. We've<br />
discussed how many good fighters there were in the 60s and 70s, whether we agree<br />
they were great or not. Marciano was relentless with sure killer's instinct<br />
and a big punch, but how would he have done against a really smart, skilled big<br />
man? I'm referring to Ali or Foreman or even Norton or possibly Frazier, all<br />
much bigger than <strong>The</strong> Rock. Some of you contributors have been discounting the<br />
the factors of size, reach, leverage, ability to wrestle in clinches and walk an<br />
opponent to the ropes, etc. Believe it or not, these are usually more decisive<br />
factors in how a fight goes than somebody's punch. <strong>The</strong> notion of a fight ending<br />
with a big punch, or being dominated by 3 or 4 big flurries is misleading. For<br />
one thing, more than often it doesn't work out that way. What happens instead is<br />
two guys being careful for 10 or 12 rounds, pawing each other, clinching a lot,<br />
seeing who can wear down whom, and then maybe somebody yielding to fatigue and<br />
getting hit with some combinations, dropping to the mat, etc. We've talked about<br />
how Ali could wear down King Kong himself by leaning on his shoulders, stinging<br />
his face and head with "glancing blows", exasperating and exhausting an opponent<br />
with his motion and speed, and above all, his greatest of all time psychouts.<br />
And Foreman had his big punch. So where does this leave relatively small<br />
Rocky Marciano, a puncher with one speed and one direction, straight ahead? Not<br />
much. Finally, and I don't mean this to be disparaging or snotty or<br />
disrespectful, but asking guys who have been boxers for a long time to rate<br />
other boxers, including those they have fought and those they have worked with,<br />
is not a very valid or reliable proposition. Unfortunately, they all have one<br />
degree or another of brain damage. <strong>The</strong>y are also sentimental and diplomatic,<br />
some of them. So while I respect the Saddlers, I don't put much stock in them<br />
saying Rocky had the biggest punch. This claim runs counter to the laws of<br />
physics. |<br />
|8/28/03 11:54:24 AM|Carl Weingarten|TJQF||TJQF||||10|It’s always great to see<br />
James <strong>Quarry</strong> remembered. For recent posters, James was the elder of the <strong>Quarry</strong><br />
brothers. James (aka Mr. Jimmy) was also the co-founder of TJQF and posted to<br />
this forum many times. Search the archives and you’ll find his valued insights.<br />
He set the record straight many times. However, I encourage everyone to go to<br />
the home page and play the 1999 WCHE interview with James and his father Jack