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there are many people from different sports that could knock him out. i know some people still think joe louis was the best, hanot a chance in hell. the wisdom of the clockster , coo coo| |10/6/03 10:06:53 AM|Massimo|Rome||7||||10|RS-I have the impression that Cassius Clay's chin wasn'tas good as Muhammad Ali's chin ! Is it possible ? Idon't think that the Cassius Clay who fought againstCooper would have been able to take the Shavers's, or Foreman's, or Frazier's bombs ! Is it possible that, somehow,the ability to take a punch can improve getting older ?If this is true, which is the explanation ? It's notclear to me !| |10/6/03 10:16:06 AM|Massimo|Rome||5||||10|KooKoo-KooKoo, I would be curious to know your top five or top tenheavyweight list. I'm not a boxing expert, I'mjust a boxing fan, but it's clear to me that youhave a very personal way to rank the fighters ( probablybetter than mine ). You're way to look at boxing isdifferent from most guys that write in this site.Thanks.| |10/6/03 11:00:20 AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo -I think the ability to take a punch is a fairly complicated issue. There is for certain a psychological component, but I also think there's a physiological one as well. I'm not sure that medicine has a handle on the physical part. Remember, most doctors deal with what's ~known~, rather than what could be. The greatest doctors are artists too, asking, testing, wondering, so perhaps the answer to punch-taking will emerge one day.While faster than Ali, I think Cassius Clay would have been eaten alive by Frazier or Foreman, as well as a number of other contenders not willing to plod around before falling down for him. Muhammad Ali was Cassius Clay as a fully grown man, and I think this maturity brought into full flower his ability to take a punch as well as to weather the fury of opponents of a caliber he never fought as Clay.| |10/6/03 10:26:41 PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|BTW, everyone, I mentioned this in another, general discussion forum, and I neglected to bring it up in here, to people who'd actually enjoy it (no one in the other forum cared). This Summer, I read a fantastic book (it's in libraries and bookstores) - "Ghosts of Manila," by Mark Kram. Kram is not only a whale of a knowledgeable boxing man, but one of the best authors you'll ever read, in any area. His ability with words brings the world of the ring vividly alive like no one else. This book not only is good reading, but has much information about boxing in general, but more specifically about Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Even an enthusiastic fan comes away with a lot of new information!| |10/7/03 01:15:25 AM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@||||10|Hi, R.S.,The aurther of that inconsecuential book ,really did reach into the bowels of the hate , nastiness,politics,and big time international money that allowed this ,the best fight between two mortal human beings that will ever take place! | |10/7/03 01:49:39 AM|kookoo|ny||kookooclock000@yahoo.com||||8|thats the smartest thing you've said so far misomo. i do have a different way of looking at fighters. as they really are just humans, to look at them as indestructable is a huge mistake. lets take frazier, he's not near as tough as people think, RON STANDER STUNNED HIM in their 1972 fightali would have knock him out in their 2nd fight if not for a stupid referee! HERES MY LIST prime tyson is without a doubt number 1 of all time followed by muhammad ali no. 2 after this it could be lennex lewis in the 3rd spot from their on is just anybodys guess. no one can stay on top to long, the human body won't let it happen. ask holyfield. yes massimo I've been watching a long time keep reading my words and you will learn. ahh the clock has run out again on me. coo coo| |10/7/03 04:15:37 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4.aol.com||||10|I remember reading a book on Ali that commented that he actually trained himself to be able to withstand knockout blows. Ali allowed his training partners to hit him
heavily around the head so that he would experience the sensation and know how to react when it happened again. I remember reading that Ali called it the "land of the half dream". He often didn't wear head protection when sparring. As a result of this training Ali not only had extreme tolerance to knockout punches, but he also knew how to pretend that he wasn't hurt when he was actually hurt very badly. There were other times when Ali actually pretended to be hurt and his confused opponent didn't know whether he was or wasn't. Ali's current problems are probably due to the punches he took at training just as much as the ones he got in real fights. And Koo Koo, Tyson would NEVER have beaten Ali. NEVER. Teddy Atlas once said that Tyson would have lasted seven rounds maximum with Ali. By then Ali would have broken Tyson psychologically. Atlas said that Tyson was never strong enough mentally to beat Ali, Louis and the other greats. Apart from Tyson's weak psychological state, he would not have been able to knock Ali out and it would be sheer fantasy to think that he could beat 'The Greatest' on points by out-boxing him. Likewise, Louis would not have had any problems with Tyson. A Tyson v Marciano fight would have been different, though. Marciano would have soaked up some punishment from Tyson before stopping him late in the fight. Tyson had most of the tools bar two - mental toughness, and the ability to absorb punishment. Ali and the others were always willing to pick themselves up off the canvass to win a fight. Tyson wasn't.| |10/7/03 04:59:21 AM|Massimo|Rome||8||||10|KooKoo-I think nobody can deny Joe Frazier was a great champion. He had arguably the best left hook ever and surely the biggest heart ever. The 3 Ali' fights are a wonderful gift for all the boxing's fans. I doubt that even a prime Tyson could have beaten the Frazier of Thrilla. Tyson never showed a big heart. I can't see him fighting like a lion for 14 rounds as Frazier did.I never saw Tyson coming from behind, overcoming difficulties and finally winning a tough fight. He never showed Frazier's heart !| |10/7/03 07:13:46 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Tyson was only good if he could intimate his opponents. Actually he was GREAT if he could. But if the other guy was not afraid (Holyfield, Douglas, Lewis) something died in him. Tyson would have wet his pants at the weigh in had he ever fought Sonny Liston. One glare from Sonny would have sealed it. He would have spanked Mike like he was a little boy. I would honestly bet my life on that.| |10/7/03 09:12:20 AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Paul - yes, I remember reading the same thing. I imagine there's something physiological about being able to take a punch too, but I don't think there's any doubt that part of the psychological component is one's intimacy with it. He said ahead of the Foreman fight that the fact that he (Ali) had been down, had been stunned, and knew how to handle it, gave him a big advantage over Foreman, who had careened to the championship like a semi knocking aside Volkswagens. I remember reading Ali's descriptions of the half dream, the hallucinations, the things he heard, and how he welcomed it, rather than freaking. Cus d'Amato, Patterson's and Tyson's trainer, said that anyone who's knocked out by a punch they see coming, secretly wants it to happen. I think that may be going a little far, but it certainly addresses the mind's possible chaotic response to a massive assault, which Ali likely minimized by becoming familiar with it. Steve - >the best fight between two mortal human beings that will ever take place!That's for sure. Never has there been such a combination of emotion, physical skill, and anticipation.| |10/7/03 01:46:42 PM|max hord|fernandina bch,fla||rasluc@msn.com||||10|I explained my personal thoughts about one's ability to take a punch in an earlier post.I'll say it again but in a different way.It is the way one is physically put together that determines ability or lack of it to take a hard punch without going down or out.The glass jaw term is used when a fighter gets floored by an average punch.His jaw doesn't break as stated.Every fighter is different in
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knockdowns. Forrest fought a great
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organization to be described as act
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could greatly improve the sport in
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oxing shows on Thursday nights with
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to his extra skill level and he win
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twice (official and unofficial)whil
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196 anymore. He could have been in
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eplying,i just like to say that in
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probably would have beaten Ellis on
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matchups. Quarry faired much better
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ivens,sam mcvey.i must plead the fa
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for Max although Schmeling holds hi
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of trouble twice. Jerry had a simil
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other going down hill. However, he
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fight interviews, Lewis was often a
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|6/19/02 12:50:45 PM|Kent|La Habra,
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fight with Jerry. I remember a whil
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|7/3/02 08:28:44 AM|Joe Krause|Chic
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powerful for his size, and too used
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I HOPE WE ALL CAN KEEP THIS WEBSITE
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of glitz, cash and excess, gets jus
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|7/18/02 01:23:30 PM|Sabrina Quarry
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seen a millon times. I am looking f
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forum knuck,knuck, knuck. and lesli
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attacked. He would hurt Joe for sur
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authority on taking a punch, George
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tactical opportunities. He had Fraz
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tussle he witnessed between Jerry a
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our pick to win. Hurry back Evren,
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Frazier is as courageous a fighter
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QUARRY'S COME BACK VS LORENZO ZANON
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supposedly set when Coetzee was bri
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JABBOXING@YAHOO.COMWWW.ANGELFIRE.CO
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comeback. And i still say that had
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after Zack Clayton counted 10. He w
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outfought by Ali and Young when pla
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STUDENT WITH A 22-2 RECORD, NO PUNC
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|10/16/02 07:34:25 PM|charles ander
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DIDNT FIGHT ANYONE WITH A NAME UNTI
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Norton. I think George just cut the
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oxing fans? I have some old Ring ma
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he said. ' Watching a guy by the na
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Back to boxing; two former long tim
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Frazier. If anyone is interested co
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JQ or MIKE QUARRY ever Quitting wit
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his fights with Dwight {the Camden
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seconds of a video clip). I know he
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EVERY ROUND although he was also a
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fight Bonavena. I give the edge to
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sunlight?Every time he smacked one
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found two champs who matched up poo
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future,the bout took place nov.2,19
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from the sport.I don't mean fighter
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TIME, WHAT DO EMILE GRIFFITH, FORES
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tourniment!There are surely enough
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|1/25/03 09:19:02 AM|Sonia Hathaway
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I THOUGHT IT WAS DEDICATED TO IMPRO
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overflowedSpawns Face of Sweet Reme
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who commits suicide usually has dee
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|2/17/03 02:08:41 PM|Max Hord|ferna
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On the most part, my family, althou
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NICE GUY WHO MANAGED AMONG OTHERS,
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TED GULLICK. I WANTED TO SAY SOMETH
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you are ridiculing me by mentioning
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had surprisingly quick hands. I als
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George Foremen. I asked Sandy who h
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class guy, a lotta people did not k
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CONCERNED,IS ESPN'S SHOWING ALI-QUA
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unbeatable. It would be a long shot
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punch hard in the first round.Most
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|3/22/03 07:55:53 PM|Forest Ward|So
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fight more effectively backing up t
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Polite,Boone Kirkman, I'm stumped o
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there.Sometimes we agree and other
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Beat Shavers in a fantastic perform
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any other fighter born,would have t
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grudges around here. Every once in
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at the hands of George Foreman. It
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Imagine the poor guy that tried to
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The recent James Toney verses Vassi
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fighter's were protected against to
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knocked out but was totally exhaust
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anking and that is much better the
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LETTING ME ADD ON TO THE JERRY QUAR
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that Norton showed how much heart h
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took a lot of punishment is proof o
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others' careers and boxing in gener
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winning. Something I just couldn't
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losses to good fighters. Chuvalo fo
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words to cool him down. The Ring ma
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could tell that much in one round?
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knew this and they covered it up by
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fight between him and Roy Jones wou
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ing and the most consistent winner
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Square Garden, New YorkFebruary 10,
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ecause your attitude is offensive.
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already been fighting amateur at a
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Johanssen, or a Buster Douglas on t
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Primo is not comparable with Shaq.
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Evren: with all the respect for the
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that is the rule. If you get to far
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decision. Frazier was made to order
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just read what guys like Frazier an
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with a young Joe Frazier and lost a
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well. Almost 30 years after they fo
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60's, they gave Ali very good match
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history, for as I believe Frank Def
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ut Lyle wasn't as devastating as Fo
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Quarry. It’s a great program, and
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is a top 5 all-timer because he cou
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shoulder and side in it, in smooth
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the fight, and even after several w
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person.In addition, a top pro would
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ferocious opponents he went up agai
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unpredictable as Ali, like a chess
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speech isn't always affected, or as
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* I'm not so sure Frazier would go
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with Ron Lyle and designed the plan
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aphasia might walk across a room, p
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interests of TJQF and the American
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suffering from the Parkinson's Synd
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!)***What can I say? I get interest
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curious, and see a possibility for
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was in his left eye, it's possible
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fighters, and would any day over a
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paralell to the floor,and keep him
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