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P^JAB lAeIMz 26- 01- 2017<br />
pMjfbI nftkF df dOr awj bhuq sImq ho<br />
ky rih igaf hY, pMjfbI tI vI aqy iPlmF ny<br />
Qytr nUM vwzI Zfa lfeI hY. Qytr ivwc nftk<br />
Kyzx dI rucI ny BFvyN isnymf jgq nUM pRiswD<br />
nfmvr klfkfr idwqy hn. lykn rMg mMc dy<br />
ies Kyqr ivwc awj igxqI idno idn Gt<br />
rhI hY. Kfs qOr ‘qy ivdysLF ivwc qF nftk<br />
Kyzxf aqy ieiqhfs nUM pysL krnf hor vI<br />
aOKf kMm hY. pMjfbI Qytr nfl juVy msLhUr<br />
nftkkfr crn isMG isMDrf dy byty qijMdr<br />
isMG isMDrf nfl kIqI geI iewk ivsLysL<br />
mulfkfq dy kuJ aMsL pMjfb tfeImjL dy<br />
pfTkF nfl sFJy kr rhy hF.<br />
svfl: isMDrf sfhb jI sB qoN pihlF qF<br />
pMjfb tfeImjL vwloN quhfzf inwGf svfgq<br />
aqy jI afieaF nUM.<br />
jvfb: mnpRIq jI pMjfb tfeImjL dy pfTkF<br />
nUM pihlF qF dovyN hwQ joV ky siq sRI akfl<br />
aqy quhfzf vI DMnvfd jo awj mYnUM pfTkF dy<br />
rUbrU hox df mOkf dy rhy ho.<br />
svfl: isMDrf jI sB qoN pihlF qF afpxy<br />
bfry pfTkF nUM dwso?<br />
jvfb: mnpRIq jI mYN iewk inmfxf ijhf<br />
klfkfr hF, ijs nUM nftkF dI guVqI myry<br />
ipqf s[ crn isMG isMDrf jI qoN imlI. AunHF<br />
ny pMjfb dy pbilk irlysLn izpfrtmYNt<br />
ivwc nOkrI kIqI aqy bhuq sfry ieiqhfsk<br />
nftk ilKy aqy Kyzy. ijhnF ivwc Bly amr<br />
dfs gux qyry, aMimRqsr isPqI df Gr, mhF<br />
pMjfb sLfiml hn. AunHF ny pRiswD nftkkfrF<br />
BfeI mMnf isMG, afqmjIq isMG, hrcrn<br />
isMG syKoN afid nfl kMm kIqf. AunHF dI<br />
pRyrnf hI mYnUM ieMglYNz ivwc rMg mMc vwl lY<br />
ky afeI.<br />
svfl: nftk klf nUM AuBfrn leI qusIN kdoN<br />
qoN Xqn kr rhy ho?<br />
jvfb: mYN 1985 ivwc XU ky afieaf, AudoN<br />
ieQy juwg BMgVy df sI, mYN mihsUs kIqf ik<br />
koeI ajyhI cIjL kIqI jfvy ijs df smuwcf<br />
pRIvfr iewk QF bYT ky luqP lY sky. ijvyN<br />
bjLurg, nOjvfn iekwTy bYT ky vyK skx,<br />
dfdf afpxy poqy nUM nfl lY ky jf sky, BYx<br />
Brf, mF bfp, DIaF puqr sB iml ky Aus<br />
cIjL nUM vyK skx. ies nfl cMgf sunyhf vI<br />
idwqf jf skygf. nftk klf df mYnUM sLONk sI,<br />
ies qoN vDIaf gwl mYnUM kuJ hor nf lwgI aqy<br />
mYN ies klf nUM bVfvf dyx leI qur ipaf.<br />
ies dI sLurUafq 1986 qoN kIqI sI.<br />
svfl: nftk bfbf bMdf isMG bhfdr nftk<br />
df pMjfb ivwc sPLl mMcn krky afey ho aqy<br />
irportF hn ik ies df quhfnUM BrvF huMgfrf<br />
imilaf hY. ies bfry jfxkfrI sFJI kro?<br />
jvfb: mnpRIq jI lokIN kihMdy hn ik mYN<br />
ieiqhfsk nftkF qy ijafdf kMm krdf hF,<br />
mYN ijafdf kr ky sLqfbdI qy kMm krdf hF,<br />
ijvyN sRI gurU gRMQ sfihb jI dI gurqf gwdI<br />
dy 300 sflf idvs mOky gurU mfinE gRMQ<br />
nftk qy kMm kIqf, ijs dy sLoa aMimRqsr,<br />
cMzIgVH, muMbeI, idwlI ivwc lY ky igaf sI.<br />
bIqy vrHy gurU goibMd isMG jI sbMDI mrd<br />
agMmVf nftk Kyizaf, ijs nUM lokF vwloN<br />
BrpUr huMgfrf imilaf.<br />
bMdf isMG bhfdr qy kMm krnf bhuq dyr<br />
qoN myrI idlI iewCf sI, bfbf bMdf isMG<br />
sUrbIr XoDy hoey hn, iswK rfj dI sQfpnf<br />
krn vfly pihly iswK jrnYl hoey ny, AunHF<br />
dI kOm leI kurbfnI bhuq mhfn sI. myry<br />
anusfr awj qwk ajyhf koeI XoDf nhIN<br />
hoieaf, ijs dy Coty ijhy bwcy nUM pwt ‘qy ibTf<br />
PANJAB TIMES FREE SECTION P-22<br />
28 jnvrI nUM hyjL dy bYk Qytr ivwc sLFmI 7 vjy Kyizaf jfvygf nftk “bMdf isMG bhfdr”<br />
XU ky ivwc nftkF rfhIN iswK ieiqhfs dI pysLkfrI krn leI XqnsLIl<br />
qijMdr isMDrf nfl mnpRIq isMG bwDnI klF dI ivsLysL mulfkfq<br />
qijMdr isMDrf nfl mulfkfq krdy hoey mnpRIq isMG bwDnI klF<br />
ky Aus df sInf kwZ ky mUMh ivwc pfieaf hovy.<br />
Auh mUMho siqnfm vfihgurU hI khy. Aus mOky<br />
Aus ivakqI dy aMdr ikMnI sLihxsLIlqf<br />
aqy imTfs hovygI, jo afpxI ijMdgI dI sB<br />
qoN kImqI cIjL nUM kurbfn kr igaf. kI<br />
sfzf iewk pMjfbI, iswK, klfkfr jF lyKk<br />
hox dy nfqy PrjL nhIN bxdf ik ajyhy<br />
sUrbIrF dIaF gfQfvF nUM lokF qwk<br />
phuMcfieaf jfvy. Aus ieiqhfs qoN lokF nUM<br />
jfxU krvfieaf jfvy. sfnUM ajyhy mOky ieh<br />
nhIN socxf cfhIdf ik ies ivwc sfzf<br />
PfeIdf jF nuksfn kI hY, sgoN XoiDaF nUM<br />
Xfd krn leI Xqn krny cfhIdy hn.<br />
XoiDaF nUM Xfd krn dy sfzy kol do hI qrIky<br />
hn iewk qF gurU GrF ivwc sLqfbdIaF<br />
mnfeIaF jFdIaf hn dUjf iPlmF bxdIaF<br />
hn. lykn myry kol nftk mMc hY mYN ies<br />
rfhIN hI bfbf bMdf isMG bhfdr dI Xfd nUM<br />
qfjLf krn leI Qytr rfhIN lokF sfhmxy lY<br />
ky afieaf hF.<br />
svfl: Dfrimk iPlmFkx kridaF bhuq<br />
sfrIaF brIkIaF df iKafl rwKxf pYNdf hY,<br />
kI kdy quhfnUM ajyhI cxOqI df sfhmxf nhIN<br />
krnf ipaf?<br />
jvfb: bhuq cxOqIaF afAuNdIaF hn, keI<br />
qrHF dy svflF df sfhmxf krnf pYNdf hY,<br />
lok puCdy hn ies df lyKk kOx hY,<br />
ieiqhfs ikwQoN ilaf. mYnUM KusLI hY ik mYN<br />
bhuq sfrf mYtr afpxy ipqf jI dy ilKy<br />
nftkF ‘coN lYNdf hF, kuJ hor ieiqhfskfrF<br />
dIaF ilKqF nUM pVH ky nftk iqafr kIqf<br />
jFdf hY.<br />
bMdf isMG bhfdr df nftk jdoN mYN pMjfb<br />
lY ky igaf, mYN ies sbMDI sLRomxI gurduafrf<br />
pRbMDk kmytI nfl sMprk kIqf, ikAuNik<br />
bMdf isMG bhfdr nUM awj qwk ivakqIgq<br />
rUp ivwc ivKfieaf nhIN sI igaf, asIN<br />
pihlI vfr ieMglYNz qoN ies df pfqr lY ky<br />
gey aqy lfeIv rUp ivwc pysL kIqf igaf.<br />
sfzf sLMkf sI ik ikqy ies sbMDI koeI ikMqU<br />
pRMqU nf hovy, lykn AuhnF ies sbMDI jo<br />
suJfa idwqy AunHF nUM mMnidaF kuJ qbdIlIaF<br />
kIqIaF, aqy jdoN mMcn kIqf, qF AunHf ikhf<br />
ik jo kMm sfnUM krnf cfhIdf sI, qusIN bfhro<br />
af ky sfzI nOjvfn pIVI nUM dws idwqf ieh<br />
sfzy leI bhuq vwzI gwl hY.<br />
svfl: Qytr rfhIN sroiqaF nUM bhuq kuJ<br />
ikhf jf skdf hY, Kfs qOr ‘qy bwicaF nUM<br />
ieiqhfs nfl joVHn leI Qytr bhuq vwzf<br />
sfDn hn, nftk bwicaF dy idlF ‘qy gihrI<br />
Cfp Cwzdf hY, iPlm ngrI nUM Qytr ny vwzy<br />
vwzy klfkfr idwqy hn, lykn pMjfb ivwcoN<br />
Qytr alop huMdf jf irhf hY, Kfs qOr qy<br />
ivdysLF ivwc pMjfbI nftkF nUM ijafdf<br />
aihmIaq nhIN idwqI jf rhI kI kfrn hn?<br />
jvfb: ieh duK dI gwl hY ik Qytr pMjfb<br />
ivwcoN alop huMdf jf irhf hY, ikAuN awj<br />
mIzIaf df juwg af igaf, pYsf muwK rUp ivwc<br />
BfrU ho igaf, hr cIjL kmrsLIal ho geI<br />
hY, hr koeI socdf hY ik pYsf ikQoN afAuNdf<br />
hY. Qytr dI klfkfrI iZwz nhIN Br skdI,<br />
lykn ieh awgy jfx df rfh Kol idMdI hY. mYN<br />
30 virHaF qoN Qytr nfl juiVaf hF lykn<br />
ies ivwcoN afmdn nhIN huMdI, lykn idl nUM<br />
skUn bhuq afAuNdf hY. pMjfb ivwc vI Qytr<br />
nUM mfr pY rhI hY, ieQy hI mfr pY rhI hY.<br />
sfzy lokF aqy sMsQfvF nUM ies pfsy vwl<br />
iDafn dyxf cfhIdf hY aqy mdd krnI<br />
cfhIdI hY qF ik ieQoN dI pIVI nUM nftkF<br />
rfhIN vI afpxy ivrsy aqy Drm nfl joiVaf<br />
jf sky. mYN 30 sflF qoN 20 sLoa ilK cuwkf<br />
aqy kr cuwkf hF. bhuq sfry lok awj vI<br />
sfzI ies klf nUM ipafr krdy hoey sfzy nfl<br />
af ky KVdy hn.<br />
svfl: ienHF nftkF dI rihsl iks qrHF<br />
krdy ho?<br />
jvfb: bVI vwzI musLikl hY iewk pfsy kMm<br />
krny dUjy pfsy sLoa dI iqafrI leI aiBafs<br />
krnf. lykn sfzy nfl juVy klfkfr vI sLONk<br />
rwKdy hn ies krky asIN AunHF dIaF isLPtF<br />
df iDafn rwK ky rihsl kIqI jFdI hY.<br />
ieh nftk hY iswK rfj bMdf isMG bhfdr<br />
anMdpur sfihb qoN lY ky bMdf isMG bhfdr<br />
dI sLhIdI qwk hY. pMjfb ivwc bhuq sfry<br />
lokF nUM bMdf isMG bhfdr bfry zuMiGafeI<br />
nfl nhIN pqf. ies ivwc asIN bMdf isMG<br />
bhfdr dI soc aqy iswKI dI sFJIvflqf df<br />
sMdysL dyx leI nftk ivwc pysL krn dI<br />
koisLsL kIqI hY, ijvyN iewk ispfhI af ky bMdf<br />
isMG bhfdr nUM kihMdf hY ik, “myry rsqy<br />
ivwc iewk PkIr AuwcI AuwcI nmfjL pVHn lwg<br />
jFdf hY, myrf hwQ josL ivwc qlvfr qy clf<br />
jFdf,” bMdf isMG bhfdr kihMdf hY ik,<br />
“qlvfr jMg dy mYdfn ivwc AuwTdI hY iksy<br />
PkIr qy nhIN, jdoN vI koeI PkIr imly Aus<br />
nUM adb aqy siqkfr nfl lY ky afE. pIr<br />
PkIr qF rwb df rUp huMdy hn.” bMdf isMG<br />
bhfdr nUM jdoN rfjy ny puiCaf ik “dws qYnUM<br />
iks qrHF dI mOq cfhIdI hY”, bMdf isMG<br />
bhfdr kihMdf hY ik “ijs qrHF dI rfjf Kud<br />
cfhuMdf hY.”<br />
asIN koisLsL kIqI hY ik iswK Drm dI<br />
ivcfrDfrf nUM gurbfxI dy aDfr ‘qy pysL<br />
kIqf jfvy. juLlm df nfsL krn leI gurU<br />
38<br />
goibMd isMG vwloN Kflsf pMQ dI isrjnf<br />
kIqI geI. bMdf isMG bhfdr ny iewt nfl<br />
iewt juLlm dI vjfeI sI, Auh iksy Drm jF<br />
ivsLysL ivakqI dy iKlfP nhIN sI.<br />
svfl: ieQoN dy bwicaF leI koeI aMgryjLI<br />
ivwc skrIn lgf ky dwsx dI vI koisLsL kr<br />
rhy ho?<br />
jvfb: asIN jdoN gurU mfinE gRMQ ivwc kuJ<br />
ihwsf aMgryjLI ivwc aqy muMbeI ivwc ‘sLyry<br />
pMjfb mhfrfjf rxjIq isMG’ sLoa kIqy sI,<br />
asIN Auh pUry sLoa hI aMgryjLI ivwc kIqf<br />
sI. asIN koisLsL kr rhy hF iewk pRogrfm<br />
iqafr krn dI joL aMgryjLI ivwc hovygf jo<br />
drsLkF nUM dy idwqf jfvy. dUjf Qytr dI asl<br />
KUbI ieh hY ik BfsLf nfloN vwD asr srIrk<br />
BfsLf df huMdf hY, drsLk pfqr, Aus df<br />
qrIkf vyK ky smJ jFdf hY ik ieh kI kih<br />
irhf hY. bYk Qytr hyjL ivwc 28 jnvrI nUM<br />
jo sLoa ho irhf hY ies nUM isiKak ZMg nfl<br />
pRogrfm dyx dI koisLsL kr rhy hF.<br />
svfl: ivdysLF ivwc Kfs qOr qy ieMglYNz ivwc<br />
aKbfr, ikqfbF, tI vI, ryzIE aqy hor<br />
mfDIamF rfhIN iswK ieqhfs nUM pysL krn dI<br />
sPLl koisLsL ho rhI hY, AuwQy hI nftkF rfhIN<br />
ies nUM lokF qwk phuMcfAux df Xqn qusIN<br />
kr rhy, ijs leI vDfeI dy pfqr ho. koeI<br />
afiKr ivwc kuJ hor kihxf cfhuMdy hovoN ?<br />
jvfb: Bfrq dI 50vIN ajLfdI vrHy gMZ mOky<br />
jdoN mYN jwilHaF vflf bfg nftk Kyizaf sI<br />
AudoN sfzf bI bI sI nfl vI kuJ sFJ sI, Aus<br />
dI sLPlqf qoN bfad jdoN ieMzIaf hfAUs<br />
igaf qF kuJ lokF ny svfl kIqf ik qusIN<br />
ies nftk rfhIN jo pysL kr rhy kI ies nfl<br />
do BfeIcfiraF ivwc koeI drfV nhIN pvygI.<br />
mYN ikhf jI nhIN, ieQoN dI srkfr sfnUM gRFt<br />
dy rhI hY. mYtIrIal dy rhy hn, ies gwl<br />
nUM slUt krdf hF ik ieQoN dy lok awj vI<br />
swc nUM CupfAuNdy nhIN. lykn asIN lok swc<br />
kihxf nhIN cfhuMdy, swc bolxf nhIN cfAuNdy,<br />
swc dwsxf nhIN cfhuMdy. AudoN sfnUM gRFt imlI<br />
sI, BFvyN ies nftk ivwc pMjfb aqy iswK<br />
rfj nfl jo ibRitsL srkfr ny kIqf sI, Aus<br />
nUM pysL kIqf igaf sI, ijs nUM vyKx vflI<br />
vwD igxqI goiraF dI sI, ijhnF sfnUM hr<br />
pwKoN hONslf idwqf, Auh lok aslIaq nUM<br />
vyKxf cfhuMdy hn. iesy krky asIN jdoN<br />
nftk pysL krdy hF jF iqafr krdy hF<br />
pysLkfrI leI keI kuJ krnf pYNdf hY, lykn<br />
ies df mqlb ieh nhIN huMdf ik asIN kuJ<br />
jfx buwJ ky kuJ glq kr rhy hF. sfnUM QoVf<br />
PrfK idl hoxf pvygf qF ik vwD qoN vwD<br />
nftkF rfhIN nvIN pIVI nUM afpxy Drm aqy<br />
ivrsy qoN jfxU krvf skIey. ies leI<br />
sfzIaF Dfrimk sMsQfvF, smfijk sMsQfvF<br />
aqy ibjins BfeIcfry dy lokF nUM vI awgy<br />
afAuxf cfhIdf hY. qF ik asIN hor vI hONsly<br />
nfl kMm kr skIey.<br />
afiKr ivwc iewk ieh jrUr khFgf ik<br />
28 jnvrI nUM hyjL dy bYk Qytr ivwc sLfmI<br />
7 vjy Kyzy jf rhy ies nftk nUM vyKx leI<br />
afpxy pRIvfrF smyq jrUr phuMco.<br />
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qijMdr isMDrf nfl sMprk kro.<br />
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