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consider<strong>at</strong>ion on the job site.<br />

th<strong>at</strong> big a problems th<strong>at</strong> arose.<br />

to do their job.<br />

There were never really<br />

The OSHA people seem<br />

ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: Mr. Rogovin.<br />

COMMISSIONER ROGOVIN: <strong>If</strong> contracting company<br />

officials payoff union officials and one of their pur­<br />

poses is to guarantee th<strong>at</strong> the best union w<strong>or</strong>kers will<br />

be put on their job, and <strong>you</strong> <strong>have</strong> testified, I think,<br />

th<strong>at</strong> all contracting companies payoff, then wh<strong>at</strong> hap­<br />

pened to the inefficient w<strong>or</strong>kers, wh<strong>at</strong> jobs do they w<strong>or</strong>k<br />

on?<br />

THE WITNESS: Ironically enough there is in<br />

effect today in most unions a referral system whereby,<br />

on the basis of seni<strong>or</strong>ity <strong>or</strong> length of time on lists, a<br />

man is referred f<strong>or</strong> a job. When he gets to th<strong>at</strong> job,<br />

the contract<strong>or</strong> has the right to remove certain people<br />

th<strong>at</strong> he does not foe1 are doing the job.<br />

The unions can be very flexible in how far<br />

they fight them on <strong>this</strong>, and th<strong>at</strong> is one way around<br />

the referral system; th<strong>at</strong> is one way <strong>you</strong> can be sure of<br />

getting certain w<strong>or</strong>kers to certain sites.<br />

COMMISSIONEE ROGOVIN: Second question: <strong>If</strong><br />

contract<strong>or</strong>s are paying off union officials f<strong>or</strong> the pur­<br />

poses <strong>you</strong> <strong>have</strong> testified to, then th<strong>at</strong> money is coming

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