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excused until tomorrow morning at 9:00 o'clock. If your appearance is not necessary, we will advise counsel. Counsel will be in touch with our staff here so that we know how to get a hold of you and you know how to get a hold of us within the next hour and a half. ness. MR. CLIMACO: Thank you, sir. (Witness excused.) ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: Call your next wit- MR. RYAN: The Commission calls David Williams. Mr. Williams is a distinguished investigator who has been assigned to the President's Commission On organized Crime. He was formerly with the Department of Labor and he will be returning to that assignment after he leaves the commission. I would ask that you be sworn, sir. DAVID WILLIAMS was called as a witness and, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: MR. RYAN: Mr. Williams, I understand you have a statement prepared on one aspect of the Commission's investigation of attorneys' fees and that you are pre pared to present the findings of the Commission staff to the Commission?
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APRIL 24. III e ••••••
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The President's commission on organ
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Weill also present a case study of
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speoific circumstances with them, w
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MR. HARMON; Well, they were linked
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PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON ORGANIZED
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and the public for destructive and
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hundred locals are heavily influenc
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with nylon rope and repeatedly stab
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MR. ETO: Yes. MR. RYAN: The structu
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MR. RYAN: What office does he hold?
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not pay me -- if he did not pay me,
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MR. RYAN: Did you report to Vincent
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I told him that I pleaded stipulate
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9th did you receive a call from Joe
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cial? MR. ETO: Yes. I-iR. RYAN: Is
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witness. MR. HARMON: Mr. Chairman,
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eport to Vincent Solano, the presid
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1983, to compel the attendance and
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in his statement are virtually the
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charges of a Grand Jury investigati
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Local I in Chicago? same grounds. M
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same grounds. MR. RYAN: Are you fam
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the construction of the building an
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construction of a building from the
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equest that he not be required to t
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that would normally perform that fu
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something? COMMISSIONER METHVIN: Di
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consideration on the job site. that
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ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: The aftern
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member of the local, as a field rep
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So he asked me to go in and clean t
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worked until they was ready to drop
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epresentatives of the Laborers? MR.
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occurred in 1981 and Mr. Fosco was
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MR. FOSCO: General President of the
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I'lR. FOSCO: I exercise my rights u
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of the record. And you should advis
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MR. HARMON: Are you prepared, Mr. C
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Mr. Ryan will handle the questionin
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MR. RYAN: When you responded to thi
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other people there. A leader of the
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snapped open. Several TDU members w
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Hitt? MR. HITT: Yes, they did. MR.
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his client to exercise his constitu
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"Same answer." MR. QUILLEN: On the
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him. to organized crime? MR. HARMON
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Local l07? MR. RISPO: No, sir. MR.
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soma people in Philadelphia -- ther
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And then a couple of years later th
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Coca-Cola, Spiegel's, J.C. Penney s
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other words, whatever the drivers e
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said he would call Williams? MR. RI
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ackground when he was doing his bus
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corporations. during the mid '70s?
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I went down to the bar to talk to S
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company. The drivers -- basically w
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did enforce the contract, that hold
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So the guy lost everything. Now tha
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victed of homicide? MR. RISPO: You
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MR. RYAN: Very recently? MR. SOLOMO
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MR. SOLOMON: Yes. MR. RYAN: Were th
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period? MR. SOLOMON: Yes, sir. MR.
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MR. HARMON: Did Joe Agone have any
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did you have any competition from o
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Now if you heard a Teamster officia
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drawer contracts? MR. CUNNINGHAM: I
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casinos? MR. CUNNINGHAM: Well, I fo
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MR. HARMON: You had the green light
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own that I had. MR. CUNNINGHAM: I h
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may consult with concerning those q
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MR. HA}UlION: During those twenty-p
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Are you aware of the situation wher
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I could be off. MR. HARMON: Now, Mr
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local's general management, it woul
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constitution or of applicable law.
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whether they adhere to those partic
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prosecutions. And the statement is
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to the same page that Mr. Harmon re
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MR. CONNERTON: Yes. Well, I -- yes.
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conclusion has some strong basis in
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have used union benefit funds as pe
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MR. WALSH: Approximately 80 percent
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MR. RYAN: Were you ever involved wi
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usiness. don't know. DR. AII)SSA: I
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in that process? for his companies?
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Hillsborough, Illinois. Paramount I
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MR. RYAN: After the termination of
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MR. MADDEN: Yes, sir. MR. RYAN: For
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MR. RYAN: That's right. Do you reco
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day, did he? MR. MADDEN: Yes, sir.
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MR. SERPICO: Yes, I am. MR. RYAN: L
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to be a fact? MR. RYAN: But it does
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crime in that union? MR. SERPICO: I
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up on the same streocwith him. MR.
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see him in two or three months. MR.
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MR. RYAN: Have you ever heard that
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Serpico, that Cantazaro was getting
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ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: The Commis
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factor or control within the indust
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DoUg, look, you know what life is a
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ago he was on our side. Ya know (in
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the other. claiming 813. THOMAR RON
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would more courage, maybe five migh
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"EMEDIO FAZZINI: I'm sorry to say I
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operated this way since the '50s. T
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ulletproof. tryin' to do that. bull
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each. The cost to the consumers is
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FBI against the heads of the variou
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'record, please? -----------_ .. _-
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worked for Terminal Transport. And
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MR. RYAN: Did you win it on behalf
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publicly. We sent invitations to 15
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Finally, we have at times kept our
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missioner Manuel, ACTING CHAIRMAN S
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asset at the time that those convic
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ecause of the fact that he had been
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eal problem. And we felt that we ha
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cooperation, Mr. Ptawart. It's seld
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CONCLUSION The testimony in this re
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Preceding page blank Prepared state
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PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON ORGANIZED
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CCl'IVERSA'l'I
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agreement/ arrangement/ combination
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was -the first CPA to ever hold tha
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the United states Senate Permanent
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e more timely enforcement. In my ju
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11. The murder of Walter Glockner a
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(1961) and Walter Glockner (1963) a
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Whether that ultimate objective wil
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Honorable Irving R. Kaufman April 2
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Former Chicago organized crime asso
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Chart depicts the organization of t
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Acting Commission. Chairman Samuel
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Ohio Teamster official Wendell Quil
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Teamster President Jackie Presser i
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Jeffrey Schaffler, a Department of
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Commission Investigator Jack Walsh
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John Serpico, International Vice Pr
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George Lebr, Executive Director of
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