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Teamsters, was that a cost plus contract, and do
you know were the costs of litigation included directly
in that contract or was it a negotiated contract at a
fixed per claim processed?
MR. WILLIAMS: I am uncertain of that informa­
tion. We have no -- we have no information that would
lead us to believe that the defense costs were added to
the amounts of money that flowed from the Teamsters to
the Amalgamated firm and the other firm.
ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: Now the $4.125 mil­
lion -- $1.5 million was reimbursed by an insurance
company who I assume takes certain rights that the Fund
has. Do you know if there are any of these defendants
had any agreements with the various entities that were
paying the money that they would indemnify the Funds if
in fact they were convicted.
MR. WILLIAMS: We know of no agreements and we
believe that there are no such agreements.
ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: So in the corporate
world where a policy is to advance legal fees for cor­
porate officers subject to an indemnification if they are
convicted, you are unaware of any such provisions in any
of these defendants' cases, and you are aware of no
indemnification payments by convicted defendants that
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