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missioner Manuel,
ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: Mr. Manuel, Com­
COMMISSIONER MANUEL: Mr. Lehr, I think your
list of reforms that you have testified to before this
Commission are very impressive and I think you ought to
be commended for your efforts.
I would like to ask you, however, why you
emphasized and underscored the fact that the Central
States Pension Fund will no longer lend any money to
casinos?
MR. LEUR: Well, Mr. Manuel, I do not think -­
I would not advise casino loans for any pension fund in
the country. I think that is so many more times magni-
fied in the case of Central States. I think that we
have a trial that is about to start in Kansas City,
and that trial is going to say more than any other
single thing about the qllestion of loaning money to
casinos, and what that might represent, and why it might
represent it. And that is the whole skimming question
and the influence question.
Now I'm not going to prejudge that trial.
The transcripts are there. The issues are there. The
indictments are there. And I think that trial will say
better than anything why Central States, or for that