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50 percent more people that they were classifying as
casual than what they was classified as regular, which
I didn't find this out until 1980.
MR. RYAN: Mr. Hall, who was the president of
Terminal Transport during the period you worked there as
a driver?
MR. HALL: John Spickerman.
MR. RYAN: Was Mr. Spickerman also a trustee
of the Central States Pension Fund?
MR. HALL: Yes, he was, until they got -- he
got messed up and they forced him to resign.
MR. RYAN: He left the Fund in 1977?
MR. HALL: That is right.
MR. RYAN: Mr. Hall, although you may not know
it, do you suspect that there is a connection between
the fact that John Spickerman was a trustee of the
Central States Pension Fund and the fact that there were
so many casual drivers in his company?
MR. HALL: Well, given the fact that he was a
trustee, and the fact remains and it's east for anybody
to verify, just go anywhere in the jurisdiction of Local
728 and you won't find any other trucking company that
operates a big casual thing like Terminal Transport did.
MR. RYAN: Mr. Hall, how did you and your wife