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COMMISSIONER MANUEL: For many years, cer­
tainly before your tenure as Director of this Fund,
the Central States Pension Fund was known within law
enforcement circles and other circles as, well, as the
private bank of organized crime.
Having had a chance now to review the history
of that Fund and know of its past activities, would
you agree with that characterization as it applied in
the past before your tenure?
MR. LEHR: Mr. Manuel, I don't think I am
noted for dodging questions, but I don't think I'm
gOing to dodge it. I hope you don't think I am going
to dodge this one. When I came to Central States, I
said, it's October of 1981, I wanted to take this and
I want to go forward. I cannot give a better answer
than I just gave a moment ago. The indictments cur­
rently in Kansas City, and all of the tapes and all of
the transcripts better than anyone else can say
answers that question. And if they are found -- if
that conspiracy and massive group of indictments are
proven, I think the answer to your question is ob­
vi6us1y in the affirmative.
COMMISSIONER MANUEL: Thank you very much.
Again I commend you for your testimony before this