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going on. You drove the truck <strong>or</strong> <strong>you</strong> didn't w<strong>or</strong>k. So<br />

<strong>you</strong> went home; it was th<strong>at</strong> simple.<br />

ACTING CHAIRMAN SKINNER: Commissioner Hope.<br />

COHMISSIONER HOPE: Mr. Rispo, <strong>you</strong> said <strong>you</strong><br />

dealt with middle management people <strong>at</strong> the companies<br />

th<strong>at</strong> employed the w<strong>or</strong>kers th<strong>at</strong> were under <strong>you</strong>r control.<br />

Did these middle management people know th<strong>at</strong> payoffs<br />

were going to people like Provenzano and Buffalino and<br />

Presser and Williams?<br />

MR. RISPO: Yes, ma'am, I would say th<strong>at</strong> they<br />

know beca<strong>us</strong>e it was a common disc<strong>us</strong>sion.<br />

COMMISSIONER HOPE: Wh<strong>at</strong> about the upper<br />

management in these companies th<strong>at</strong> wer.e dealing with<br />

Mr. Boffa, do <strong>you</strong> <strong>have</strong> any opinion as to whether they<br />

knew where payoffs were going?<br />

MR. RISPO: In <strong>or</strong>der -- <strong>you</strong> know it sounds<br />

repetitio<strong>us</strong>, but in <strong>or</strong>der f<strong>or</strong> it to w<strong>or</strong>k everybody had<br />

to know. And the c<strong>or</strong>p<strong>or</strong><strong>at</strong>e heads could <strong>have</strong> put a stop<br />

to it any time <strong>at</strong> all. I mean the middle class people<br />

I dealt with;Gene didn't deal with, all right, Mr.<br />

Boffa, okay. He dealt with the big shots, okay, the<br />

c<strong>or</strong>p<strong>or</strong><strong>at</strong>e heads, th<strong>at</strong> is who he dealt with, all right.<br />

They had to know wh<strong>at</strong> was going on beca<strong>us</strong>e if they<br />

didn't know it would never <strong>have</strong> got down to my level<br />

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