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SoyaScan Notes. Jan. 9. Conducted by William Shurtleff <strong>of</strong><br />

Soyinfo <strong>Center</strong>.<br />

• Summary: Chris started work with Meals <strong>for</strong> Millions /<br />

Freedom <strong>from</strong> Hunger (FFH) Foundation on 7 Jan. 1982–29<br />

years <strong>and</strong> 2 days ago. The organization now has 42<br />

employees. Christopher Dun<strong>for</strong>d, PhD became president <strong>of</strong><br />

FFH on 1 Feb. 1991 <strong>and</strong> he is still president to this day, but<br />

as <strong>of</strong> 1 July 2011 he will be stepping away <strong>from</strong> that<br />

position. The plan is <strong>for</strong> him to remain on staff so he will be<br />

available as a mentor <strong>and</strong> senior research fellow <strong>for</strong> the<br />

following two years, working on Research <strong>and</strong> Evaluation,<br />

writing “lessons learned” over the 20+ years <strong>of</strong> integrated<br />

micr<strong>of</strong>inance services, <strong>and</strong> creating a learning environment<br />

in the cross-section between micr<strong>of</strong>inance <strong>and</strong> health. Of<br />

course, this is dependent on the new CEO <strong>and</strong> whether that<br />

plan is suitable to him/her. He has had, by far, the longest<br />

term as president in the <strong>history</strong> <strong>of</strong> the organization.<br />

In recent years he has “stuck to his guns” in making<br />

sure the micr<strong>of</strong>inance community does not move away <strong>from</strong><br />

reaching the poorest <strong>of</strong> the poor. In about the year 2000<br />

there was a big movement in the lending community called<br />

“commercialization” or “going upscale.” Every banker<br />

knows that it is easier to loan money to people who already<br />

have a fair amount <strong>of</strong> it than it is to people who are in need<br />

<strong>of</strong> it. At this time even micr<strong>of</strong>inance was starting to move in<br />

this direction, leaving the poor behind–one more time. So<br />

Freedom <strong>from</strong> Hunger (along with Sam Daley-Harris <strong>of</strong><br />

Microcredit Summit Campaign {Washington, DC}) became<br />

a voice <strong>of</strong> opposition to movement in this direction. The<br />

Grameen Bank, founded by Muhammad Yunus in<br />

Bangladesh, was not as vocal as FFH, but they were<br />

definitely staying with their original ideals <strong>and</strong> cheering<br />

FFH. Eventually (in about 2002) the U.S. Congress passed a<br />

law stating that 50% <strong>of</strong> all funding <strong>from</strong> USAID <strong>for</strong><br />

micr<strong>of</strong>inance has to go the poorest <strong>of</strong> the poor. At that point<br />

the question arose: How do we measure poverty? So FFH’s<br />

evaluation team (headed by Christopher Dun<strong>for</strong>d) started to<br />

get involved in actual poverty measurement tools.<br />

In the early 1990s, when FFH started its program <strong>of</strong><br />

Credit with Education, which made small loans to poor<br />

women <strong>and</strong> provided valuable in<strong>for</strong>mation with the loans,<br />

Christopher Dun<strong>for</strong>d realized that it would be essential to<br />

measure the results <strong>of</strong> the new program to see if it was<br />

working, <strong>and</strong> if it was working better than money alone–<br />

without the innovation <strong>of</strong> education. He said, “We need to<br />

prove that its working” <strong>and</strong> to measure the impact. Its all<br />

about food security, plus the health <strong>and</strong> nutrition <strong>of</strong> the<br />

mothers <strong>and</strong> the children. FFH has always worked only in<br />

rural villages with very poor people.<br />

Question: During the almost three decades that Chris<br />

has worked <strong>for</strong> FFH, what have been the most important<br />

developments in this organization?<br />

CD: By far the most important change was the move<br />

<strong>from</strong> the Applied Nutrition Program over to micr<strong>of</strong>inance.<br />

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The Applied Nutrition Program was effective <strong>for</strong> the people<br />

that FFH was reaching, but the evaluations were showing<br />

that the impact was very limited, <strong>and</strong> it was very labor<br />

intensive <strong>and</strong> very expensive–with things such as weighing<br />

babies several times a year. David Crowley, who as<br />

president <strong>of</strong> FFH just be<strong>for</strong>e Dun<strong>for</strong>d, made the decision to<br />

make this major change. But the decision was <strong>for</strong>ced by a<br />

set <strong>of</strong> lay<strong>of</strong>fs in 1988 due to a funding downturn. Of the 29<br />

people on staff, nine were laid <strong>of</strong>f–a third <strong>of</strong> the staff. He<br />

made the decision to lay <strong>of</strong>f the Applied Nutrition Program<br />

staff. Shortly be<strong>for</strong>e this, one <strong>of</strong> the staff had gone to see the<br />

Grameen Bank in Dhaka, Bangladesh. Kathleen Stack (who<br />

is now vice-president) spent about a week in Bangladesh–<br />

which was really the right way to do it. When she came<br />

back she said, “This is really great. But how can we make<br />

the change <strong>from</strong> a hunger <strong>and</strong> nutrition organization to a<br />

new type <strong>of</strong> bank?” It so happened that she <strong>and</strong> Dun<strong>for</strong>d<br />

<strong>and</strong> Ellen Vor der Bruegge (who was a public health<br />

specialist, newly hired at FFH) went together on a trip to<br />

Nepal. The FFH program village in Nepal was an 8-hour<br />

hike <strong>from</strong> where the car dropped them <strong>of</strong>f. They had a<br />

guide, had to <strong>for</strong>d streams, etc. The whole time they were<br />

trekking, they were talking about the Grameen Bank <strong>and</strong><br />

how FFH could suddenly trans<strong>for</strong>m itself into being a new<br />

type <strong>of</strong> organization. On the trek they came up with a<br />

completely new idea: “Why don’t we use the money as the<br />

locomotive <strong>and</strong> the education topics will be the cars in the<br />

train.” This was the origin (worldwide) <strong>of</strong> the innovation <strong>of</strong><br />

linking micr<strong>of</strong>inance with health <strong>and</strong> nutrition education.<br />

Later business education was added to the program. So this<br />

trip to Nepal turned out to be the turning point. FFH began<br />

to make the trans<strong>for</strong>mation slowly, starting micr<strong>of</strong>inance in<br />

only two countries–Mali (in Dec. 1988) <strong>and</strong> Thail<strong>and</strong> (July<br />

1989)–with only 50 women in two countries. Why didn’t<br />

other micr<strong>of</strong>inance organizations think <strong>of</strong> this excellent idea<br />

be<strong>for</strong>e? First, micr<strong>of</strong>inance / microcredit / microlending was<br />

still a relatively new idea. And also, adding the education<br />

component made the process much more complicated <strong>and</strong><br />

expensive–but it turned out to pay <strong>for</strong> itself many times<br />

over. The typical person going to the village to make or<br />

collect loans had a financial background. It became<br />

necessary to teach that person health <strong>and</strong> nutrition topics<br />

<strong>and</strong> train them to communicate those basic ideas (such as<br />

“mosquitoes carry malaria”) to usually illiterate village<br />

women in a way that they would “get it.” This adds many<br />

new layers to the process. For the first ten years, FFH grew<br />

the Credit with Education program very slowly as they<br />

worked to underst<strong>and</strong> the root causes <strong>of</strong> chronic hunger,<br />

malnutrition <strong>and</strong> poverty, <strong>and</strong> the learned the best ways to<br />

address these–including adult learning techniques, using<br />

pictures, games, discussions, demonstrations, etc. Many<br />

different things go into the education topics. By 1999 (ten<br />

years later) FFH was still reaching only 121,316 women.<br />

But over the next ten years, by Dec. 2008, the number <strong>of</strong>

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