Re:TheAshLad - Sandbooks

majordomobbs.thing.net and info nettimel in the msg body. Re
codework (KristevaEco) (fwd). Hi I honestly don't have time for a long
reply I just got back from a. conf. with messages I have to deal with not
spam. But if you look at. Kristeva's Revolution in Poetic Language
you'll see a lengthy treatment of. Maldoror especially the unabridged
Fr. version and a great deal of this. is a combination of psychoanalytics
and semiotics which she employs as. well. This can be combined with
Eco. You'd have to look at the book it's hardly reductionist. Same with.
Greimas etc. Alan. I have read it and I find Eco and all such semiotic
models of language. reductionist. Where does a text like Lautreamont's
Maldoror fit into Eco's. scheme Where do the texts of the insane
Language is not only about signals. (Eco's signfunctions) and their
corresponding behavioral responses. There. is a form of dark matter in
language that never gets touched upon by. semiotics. It is where signals
get crossed elided broken down and too. often dismissed in semiotics as
gibberish or noise. Eco's approach is good. for analyzing highclass
linear detective novels like the ones he writes. but it falls apart on texts
that don't make the rage of interpretation their. goal. Like all models of
the world semiotics fits some things well and. other things badly and
the things it fits badly happen to be precisely the. things I care most
about right now in the making of art. Maybe somebody. could propose
a new nonlinear model of semiotics or better a chaotic one. that would
extend the field into a place that might be interesting. But. Eco's views
on language are too restrictive for me and don't carry me to. the places
I want to go.. Greimas deals with a much wider range of issues than
semiotics in his work. and I prefer him to Eco. Even so there is still
much in the making of art. that Greimas doesn't take into account. (Not
that I can recall anything. specifically that I could critique off the top of
my pointy little head. .. .) Linguistics still only skims the surface of
art's deepest concerns so I. guess the question is should an artist be
content with merely skimmed. surfaces Or should he dive headlong into
the deep waters where theories. fear to tread I guess some of us are
Ahabs and some of us are Ishmaels. I. favor the crazy Ahab impulse
speaking for myself despite my wooden leg.. I am taking a breather
here to let others get into the conversation if they. wish. Feel free to tear
me to pieces if you wish. m. Kristeva's Prolegomenon to Revolution in
Poetic Language (from Art in. Theory ). A materialist foundation to
dialectical logic a theory of signification. based on the subject his
formation.. to perceive a signifying practice which. although produced
in language is only intelligible through it.. attests to a. 'crisis' of social
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