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staff work, that had been done. It was bruising because it was a politically charged issue.<br />

Q: Speaking of national intelligence, I’ve been interviewing, over a period of time,<br />

somebody who was involved – the assistant secretary <strong>for</strong> European affairs, one named<br />

Roz Ridgeway. She’s quite dismissive of the National Intelligence Estimate by saying,<br />

“This is a series of compromises.”<br />

MILLER: I would dispute that. Of course, having been <strong>for</strong>ced – as one of my tasks I read<br />

all of the estimates on the Soviet Union from day one to – well, certainly through 1981 –<br />

<strong>and</strong> carefully. I think they’re very good, very helpful, particularly if you are involved in<br />

the process. If you were working on having to know what the status of <strong>for</strong>ces was,<br />

between, particularly, nuclear <strong>for</strong>ces, there’s nothing better. If you really studied the<br />

material <strong>and</strong> read the reports carefully, all the foot-noting, it’s a <strong>for</strong>m of art – a necessary<br />

<strong>for</strong>m of art, – you would learn knew quite a bit. <strong>The</strong>y were very high value. But having<br />

said that, it also implies a base of knowledge of the part of all the readers. So you could<br />

not take a document like this in the abstract, suddenly, a man from Mars reads this <strong>and</strong><br />

knows the full story, without having lived through the making of these documents <strong>and</strong><br />

really knew how to read them. If footnotes were suppressed, it would be a different story.<br />

<strong>The</strong>y were not, the footnotes were there. If the directors conclusion did not meet<br />

particular policy preferences, there was a problem of accepting the NIE as valuable by<br />

many occasional readers.<br />

Q: In a way, this is also the problem. Here you are, the expert – you, <strong>and</strong> others of your<br />

ilk know what these things are, who’s saying what, <strong>and</strong> how to read it, <strong>and</strong> yet a<br />

policymaker is up there having to make rather instantaneous judgments, with no time to<br />

get enmeshed in all this.<br />

MILLER: <strong>The</strong>n you get to the question of what is necessary <strong>for</strong> policymakers to know<br />

when they presume to head a government as complicated as ours, in a world so dangerous<br />

as the one we live in. Can we af<strong>for</strong>d to have people lead us who have not been schooled,<br />

at least in part, in these matters? And I would say we are taking a huge risk if we elect<br />

people as our president who can’t do these things. It really is a huge risk. <strong>The</strong> fallback is<br />

to have staff, including your vice-president <strong>and</strong> secretaries, who do know, <strong>and</strong> who can<br />

bring you up to speed. <strong>The</strong> president would have to have the personal characteristics of<br />

allowing himself to be tutored by his subordinates.<br />

Jimmy Carter had that. Of the presidents I’ve observed, at first h<strong>and</strong>, in these kinds of<br />

situations – Johnson, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton – Carter – Bush – Jerry Ford<br />

was too busy with other things, but he allowed his subordinates to do what was necessary;<br />

he was there too short a time to really judge. Certainly Clinton – Clinton just ate it up. He<br />

had this enormous, voracious appetite <strong>for</strong> knowledge of all kinds, as we know.<br />

Q: Looking at two things – one, it was on your watch when the whole Iranian revolution<br />

happened. How good were – looking at it now, how do you feel we were doing,<br />

intelligence-wise, with that?<br />

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