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survived that, <strong>and</strong> was now the tutor to Raisa Gorbachev teaching her about the history of<br />

early Russia.<br />

Q: This is Gorbachev's wife.<br />

MILLER: Yes. He was a highly respected figure, a moral <strong>for</strong>ce, even in the Soviet times,<br />

someone who never accepted the Soviet ideology, but was so highly respected that he was<br />

allowed to work on early Russian history <strong>and</strong> religion as an academician. And there was<br />

Alex<strong>and</strong>er Yakovlev, Gorbachev's major speechwriter. <strong>The</strong>re was Tatiana Zaslavskaya,<br />

who was the great sociologist from Novosibirsk, who did the crucially important societal<br />

analysis <strong>for</strong> Andropov, that said the Soviet man had developed to such a level that it was<br />

no longer possible to rule him in the ways of Stalinist times. It was now (this was written<br />

in 1979) necessary to have demokratizia (democratization), perestroika (reconstruction),<br />

<strong>and</strong> glasnost (openness). This was because she maintained, the education, the increase in<br />

economic well being, the mobility of the Soviet citizen to see the world, was such that the<br />

Soviet man could underst<strong>and</strong> what was happening to him, <strong>and</strong> in the world as a whole. As<br />

a consequence a change of the Soviet system that Stalin had created had to take place. It<br />

was no longer possible to control in<strong>for</strong>mation. In<strong>for</strong>mation had to be extended through<br />

education <strong>and</strong> with accurate reporting. Gorbachev also read this report <strong>and</strong> used it as a<br />

basis <strong>for</strong> his re<strong>for</strong>ms.<br />

And there were a number of scientists, very important ones, Eugeniy Velikhov, who was<br />

the vice president of the Academy of Science, a nuclear scientist, <strong>and</strong> head of the arms<br />

control group in the Soviet Union. Roald Sagdeev, who is now here in the United States,<br />

was head of the Soviet space program, <strong>and</strong> a number of others including the Bulgarian<br />

mathematician, Blagovest Sendov who later was prime minister of Independent Bulgaria.<br />

When Gorbachev was introduced to Sakharov <strong>and</strong> Sakharov shook his h<strong>and</strong> almost like a<br />

bullfighter. <strong>The</strong>re was no "Thank you very much <strong>for</strong> bringing me back from exile," he<br />

just said, "How do you do?" Sakharov was polite, certainly not deferential. It was mano a<br />

mano (h<strong>and</strong> to h<strong>and</strong>). I had been talking to Sakharov at that moment when Gorbachev<br />

came <strong>for</strong>ward to Sakharov. I could see the power of this electric situation where they both<br />

knew they had a role to play in the future <strong>and</strong>, indeed, they did. <strong>The</strong> meeting that<br />

followed, this is even more extraordinary.<br />

We were placed around the oval table in the Malachite room, <strong>and</strong> an introduction was<br />

given by Dr. Jerry Wiesner about the purposes of the foundation, the whole objectives<br />

were to improve relations between East <strong>and</strong> West, ideas <strong>for</strong> nuclear arms control <strong>and</strong> an<br />

improved environment, all of these very compelling issues could only be solved by<br />

international cooperation. This organization, the International Foundation could do much<br />

to promote this, by meeting with the leaders of the major countries involved, <strong>and</strong> with<br />

major public <strong>and</strong> NGO international organizations. <strong>The</strong>n Gorbachev gave a review of his<br />

program of perestroika <strong>and</strong> where he wanted to take the country. He went through a very<br />

familiar review – familiar to the group there, using a rhetoric of great promise <strong>and</strong><br />

optimism. He spoke <strong>for</strong> about 40 minutes, then stopped, <strong>and</strong> said, "I would like to hear<br />

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