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MILLER: <strong>The</strong> most important in<strong>for</strong>mation about Iran was on the surface. It was always<br />

on the surface. It was not an intelligence issue, it was a societal judgment, or should have<br />

been – it was a judgment about the nature of Iranian society <strong>and</strong> how rapidly it was<br />

moving. I would say it was policy directions that were crucial to our leaders. <strong>The</strong><br />

judgments about Iranian society were not dependent on correct intelligence, they were not<br />

dependent on – the kind of intelligence provided by the CIA <strong>and</strong> the military intelligence<br />

agencies, or the FBI or cooperation with other intelligence agencies. <strong>The</strong> necessary<br />

in<strong>for</strong>mation <strong>and</strong> analysis was coming from State, from journalists, from academics, from<br />

business. Iran was at that time an open society. Iran was not closed. It was wide open,<br />

there was a huge American presence; it was easy to have a full awareness of what was<br />

happening. It was the psychological problem of denial about what was happening, you<br />

might say, <strong>and</strong> an unmovable com<strong>for</strong>t with past arrangements that needed to be changed.<br />

<strong>The</strong> public warning signals were very strong. <strong>The</strong>y began in the most dramatic way, in<br />

1976, when the shah had the spectacular Persepolis celebration of the 3,000 years of<br />

monarchy in Iran, where he crowned himself, <strong>and</strong> the great excesses of his regime were<br />

seen by all of the world who came to this great mega-party in Persepolis. <strong>The</strong>y could see<br />

the poverty <strong>and</strong> wealth, the dramatic excess.<br />

Of course, the Iranian students who were here, in the United States 50,000 a year, made it<br />

very clear by their constant demonstrations against the shah where they thought Iran<br />

should go – <strong>and</strong> these students were the hope of the future. I would say many of the most<br />

diligent scholars, <strong>and</strong> academics of contemporary Iran spoke of the dangers. When Helms<br />

went out, in the Nixon period …<br />

Q: He was the director of the CIA, or had been.<br />

MILLER: Yes, <strong>and</strong> he was sent out to Iran in exile, so to speak. This was in ’75, in that<br />

period. It was very clear that things were rumbling, <strong>and</strong> within the embassy there was a<br />

dispute. <strong>The</strong> decisions really came down to, in the Jimmy Carter period, when the<br />

unpopularity of the shah was extremely pronounced <strong>and</strong> growing, <strong>and</strong> the issue was,<br />

what’s happening? “Is there an alternative to the Shah?” And the answer was, he’s<br />

extremely unpopular. <strong>The</strong> judgment question was, do we stick with him or do we support<br />

an alternative – what is the alternative? <strong>The</strong> debate in the Carter administration was<br />

between Brzezinski <strong>and</strong> Vance – the NSC vs. State.<br />

Vance was of the view that the shah was finished <strong>and</strong> we should support the nationalist<br />

democrats, as weak as they were. Brzezinski was of the view – as was Kissinger <strong>and</strong> the<br />

establishment – that the shah had served us well, <strong>and</strong> we should stick with him. So it was<br />

that issue until the very end. A year be<strong>for</strong>e the end, when George Ball was brought in to<br />

have an independent review. He made a review, <strong>and</strong> he said, “Support the nationalist<br />

democrats,” but it was too late.<br />

Q: Did you have any personal involvement, being an Iranian h<strong>and</strong>?<br />

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