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States, even if the Soviet failure is very clear in their minds. Despite the failure of the<br />

Soviet leadership, the Socialist ideal still is very strong.<br />

Q: Did Ukrainians – were their thoughts <strong>and</strong> their development in the post-Soviet period<br />

paralleling what was happening, say, in Russia? It was sort of a post-Soviet development<br />

rather than by different countries.<br />

MILLER: What was a post-Soviet development?<br />

Q: In other words, rethinking <strong>and</strong> the value of things <strong>and</strong> continuing the Socialist …<br />

MILLER: Yes, it is post-Soviet throughout the <strong>for</strong>mer Soviet Union, definitely, because<br />

up until the independence, the <strong>for</strong>mal independence, December 25 th , 1991, <strong>and</strong> the<br />

breakup of the Soviet Union, the end of the Soviet Union, the social infrastructure<br />

systems worked, more or less. <strong>The</strong>y worked best in Ukraine, compared to other parts of<br />

the Soviet Union, <strong>for</strong> a number of reasons: Ukraine had more resources, it was always a<br />

favored republic, <strong>and</strong> special attention was given because of its critical, strategic<br />

importance, within the Soviet Union. A sizeable proportion of the Soviet leadership was<br />

Ukrainian reflective of Ukraine’s importance within the Politburo <strong>and</strong> the Central<br />

Committee. Ukraine’s importance was seen in the amount of ef<strong>for</strong>t that was made to<br />

repair the damage of the second World War, which was greatest in Ukraine, more than<br />

any other part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine lost more lives then any other republic, on the<br />

fronts in Ukraine. I was very aware of the post-Soviet political <strong>and</strong> philosophical change<br />

taking place. You could witness it in the <strong>for</strong>mer institute of philosophy which taught<br />

Marxist, Leninist, Soviet philosophy. In Kiev, the Institute of Philosophy is still the main<br />

place where bright students go to study philosophy, but they are now confronted with the<br />

reality of the end of the Soviet Union <strong>and</strong> the necessity to deal with the emergence of a<br />

new economic system, the requirement of building intellectual structures <strong>and</strong> structures<br />

<strong>for</strong> daily life, <strong>and</strong> practical morality.<br />

So what’s grown up alongside of this turmoil between Orthodox <strong>and</strong> radical new thinking<br />

about the value of work, labor, contributions to society, what the social structure should<br />

be, is the new new phenomenon of business, its management, reflected in a great,<br />

flowering efflorescence of new western style business schools <strong>and</strong> management institutes.<br />

Management <strong>for</strong> businessmen, being a really Western idea, is different, very different. Its<br />

ideas about efficiencies <strong>and</strong> looking at the bottom line mentalities <strong>and</strong> end results. Social<br />

purposes of work done in business are not a major part of the new management thinking.<br />

You’re a manager, your task is to run an entity, trying to get a particular kind of work<br />

done in a profitable way. How a business contributes to social well being or the stability<br />

of the state, are secondary questions. So where is it that a comprehensive look at the new<br />

Ukrainian society was taking place? Not many places. Legitimate profit; social<br />

obligations of employers to workers; just taxation; what pensions should be paid to<br />

workers by the state <strong>and</strong> by the employer; what benefits are the responsibilities of the<br />

state as opposed to the individual; what is a just minimum wage; what is the composition<br />

of the new class system since the classless society is no more. <strong>The</strong>se are the issues that<br />

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