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COINCIDANCE 181<br />

terrorism. Those countries have disimproved, especially in the last few<br />

years, and to a certain extent I blame this on President Reagan who has<br />

condoned these atrocities and even supported them financially and militarily.<br />

For forty years now, Americans have been led to believe that the worst offender against<br />

human rights in all the world is the U.S.S.R. You insist that this is no longer true.?<br />

I would not call Russia an ideal society from the human rights standpoint,<br />

but it has definitely improved since Stalin; it has not disimproved. That is<br />

one of Amnesty's successes. In the first years of Amnesty in the early 1960s,<br />

there were vast numbers of political detainees in camps in Siberia and other<br />

places in the Soviet Union and other Marxist countries in Eastern Europe.<br />

There, Amnesty was very successful in making the new leaders feel the<br />

weight of world opinion. We obtained the release of thousands—I would<br />

say, of at least ten thousand persons. Partly, this was because we made the<br />

Soviets realize that these people had been imprisoned for advocating exactly<br />

the policies the new, post-Stalin government was following.<br />

Do you feel that the average Russian is more free of the threat of unreasonable arrest today<br />

than in the past?<br />

Yes; definitely yes—even more free of that threat than they were ten<br />

years ago. Based on Amnesty's studies, there has been great improvement<br />

there. I am not saying that the human rights situation there is as it should<br />

be, but there has been tremendous progress. It speaks well for the Soviet<br />

leadership that Amnesty can get adequate information and do know what<br />

to protest in their treatment of political offenders. Letters from there to<br />

Amnesty are delivered without interference; groups of dissidents there<br />

send us reports and even have long phone conversations with our London<br />

office. By contrast, China is still the most closed society in the world. We<br />

can't even learn the number of political prisoners there, and we have no<br />

adequate information about civil liberties there at all.<br />

Russian officials in the past have accused Amnesty of being a front for the C.I.A. and<br />

American right-wingers sometimes claim you are all a bunch ofSoviet dupes or fellow travelers . . .<br />

Yes, yes, and that delights us. The fact that we are attacked by both sides<br />

is proof of our neutrality and objectivity.<br />

You also have guidelines guaranteeing the neutrality of each Amnesty chapter, do you not?<br />

Certainly. We work through outreach groups, called Adoption Groups.<br />

In order to ensure the neutrality of each Adoption Group, we insist that<br />

they adopt three prisoners—one from the Western block nations, and one<br />

from the Communist bloc, and one from the Afro-Asian bloc. Each group is<br />

then pledged to work equally for the three adopted prisoners. You can t say<br />

"I'll only work for prisoners in Communist countries," or "I'll only work for<br />

prisoners in Capitalist countries"; You have to work equally for political

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