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190 COINCIDANCE<br />

campaign. Creating whole new forests would provide work for many of the<br />

unemployed, and even if it takes 50 years for the economic return, it will be<br />

worth it when we do have all those new trees full-grown. I also think the<br />

government could create many, many jobs by giving Dublin a subway system.<br />

How do you evaluate the effectiveness of the protests such as the women at Greenhatn<br />

Common missile base who have attracted so much world-wide attention?<br />

I believe you just answered your own question. Those women have done<br />

a marvelous job of work in forcing world attention on the threat of nuclear<br />

missiles.<br />

What I really meant to ask is, I meet a lot of cynical and depressed people these days. They<br />

don't like the missiles anymore than you do, hut they feel hopeless. If you talk about Greenham<br />

Common at all, they'll just say, "Yes, those women gave it the old school try—but the missiles<br />

are still there, aren't they?" At tlie age of 80, you haven't gotten discouraged yet. Whatgivesyou<br />

the faith and energy to struggle on?<br />

I have one big hope. I think public opinion has become much more<br />

powerful than at any earlier period in history. We have all been rather stupid<br />

in the past when we tried to predict the pace of oncoming events. Everything<br />

is happening much faster these days. Public education and literacy<br />

have increased incredibly in my lifetime and especially in the past 30 years<br />

and the peoples of the world are better informed than they ever have been.<br />

As I said, people are mostly very decent and just, once they know the facts of<br />

a case, and they are learning the facts faster and faster. Television is bringing<br />

everything right into the living room, and people know what is going on. I<br />

think people will soon force governments to give up this insane arms race.<br />

They just have to join together, like the women at Greenham Common,<br />

and make their voices heard.<br />

On my way here, \ was thinking about Graham Greene, perhaps because he is both a<br />

Catholic and a radical, like you. He recently said he'd rather live in a world dominated by the<br />

U.S.S.R. than in one dominated by the U.S. What do you think about such a choice?<br />

I hope we are never forced to such a deplorable choice. But even if it came<br />

down to that, my opinion would depend on which government was in<br />

power in those countries. A world dominated by Kruschev wouldn't have<br />

been too bad, and a world dominated by Eisenhower wouldn't be too bad,<br />

either. But God forbid we should have a world dominated by Stalin or<br />

Reagan.

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