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I had been a militant my whole life, and when Chávez was elected in<br />

1999, it was a major turning point for leftists <strong>of</strong> my generation. Prior to<br />

Chávez, we had always organized against <strong>the</strong> government – protesting,<br />

organizing unions in <strong>the</strong> textile factories, etc. And <strong>the</strong>n in 1999, all <strong>of</strong> a<br />

sudden it was our turn to govern! We had to totally change our state <strong>of</strong><br />

mind.<br />

One <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> first things <strong>the</strong> government did when Chávez came into<br />

<strong>of</strong>fice was to establish <strong>the</strong> community management <strong>of</strong>fice in<br />

HIDROCAPITAL. That was important because Venezuelan cities were<br />

plagued by water and sanitation problems. At <strong>the</strong> time, <strong>the</strong>re were protests<br />

around water almost everyday.<br />

So when Chávez arrived, he inherited a water supply system that had<br />

been abandoned for 40 or 50 years; people had enormous expectations <strong>of</strong><br />

him. It was like <strong>the</strong>y were waiting for <strong>the</strong> ticket to heaven. But Chávez<br />

handled this challenge marvellously. He rose to <strong>the</strong> occasion in such a<br />

forceful, convincing way that during <strong>the</strong> first few years <strong>the</strong> water<br />

experience was really <strong>the</strong> face <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Bolivarian Process.<br />

We supported <strong>the</strong> government and <strong>the</strong> experiment wholeheartedly. I<br />

gave up all that I had, including time with my family. I would pick up and<br />

leave my wife and kids and go wherever <strong>the</strong> government sent me.<br />

SS and RM: Can you tell us more about your personal<br />

background?<br />

SA: Before becoming a unionist, I only had a high school education.<br />

After high school, I didn't feel <strong>the</strong> need to continue studying. Now,<br />

because <strong>of</strong> my work at <strong>the</strong> Universidad Indígena de Venezuela, I decided<br />

to go back and get a university degree. I am currently studying education<br />

at <strong>the</strong> Universidad Nacional Experimental Simón Rodríguez. One <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

Bolivarian Process's most amazing contributions has been its attention to<br />

education, particularly during <strong>the</strong> early years.<br />

For me, <strong>the</strong> time <strong>of</strong> unionism was also <strong>the</strong> time <strong>of</strong> socialism because<br />

unionism and socialism were like two sides <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> same coin. When<br />

socialism came into crisis in <strong>the</strong> 1980s, so too did unionism. The union<br />

crisis was also brought on by Venezuela's neoliberal reforms. During <strong>the</strong><br />

neoliberal period, <strong>the</strong> textile industry, where we had been organizing,

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