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under death threat every day from your own government. You know<br />

governments can be vicious – and that’s <strong>the</strong> history <strong>of</strong> black people in<br />

America. So <strong>the</strong>n <strong>the</strong> anarchists say ‘we want democratic accountability,<br />

not just <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> corporations (which, coming out <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> socialist tradition, I<br />

accept) but we want to make sure that <strong>the</strong> government doesn’t have a<br />

concentration <strong>of</strong> power, especially instrumentalities <strong>of</strong> violence which can<br />

be brought to bear on dissidents, who are <strong>the</strong>n criminalized and<br />

assassinated.’ And that’s very important. Yet at <strong>the</strong> same time, as a radical<br />

democrat or a deep democrat, in <strong>the</strong> end I’m not an anarchist but<br />

anarchism has some deep truths that one has to take into consideration.<br />

PG: Cornel, you campaigned for Obama in 2008 but unlike many<br />

o<strong>the</strong>r critical supporters <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> President, your critique <strong>of</strong> his policies<br />

eventually eclipsed your support as his first term unfolded. And as a<br />

result you’ve found yourself in confrontation with former comrades –<br />

but still bro<strong>the</strong>r – like Michael Eric Dyson, Al Sharpton and o<strong>the</strong>rs,<br />

who remain allied to <strong>the</strong> Obama regime while purporting to be critical<br />

<strong>of</strong> it from within.<br />

CW: You don’t see too much criticism coming from ei<strong>the</strong>r one <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong>m though! (laughs). I think <strong>the</strong>y’ve sold <strong>the</strong>ir soul for a mess <strong>of</strong> Obama<br />

pottage!<br />

PG: Right, and it’s obvious that <strong>the</strong>se confrontations have led<br />

many in <strong>the</strong> mainstream American press to denounce you, but even<br />

<strong>the</strong>n your popularity among poor and working people in America and<br />

across <strong>the</strong> world continues to grow. How do you account for that?<br />

CW: Well, one important thing to keep in mind is that in <strong>the</strong> 65<br />

events that I did, at each stop I would tell <strong>the</strong>m that we must bring<br />

Reaganism to a close – McCain and Palin were <strong>the</strong> last moments <strong>of</strong><br />

Reaganite policy (unregulated markets, indifference towards <strong>the</strong> poor,<br />

stagnating wages) – and that if Obama won, I would break dance in <strong>the</strong><br />

afternoon and be his major critic <strong>the</strong> next morning. That’s how I ended<br />

every speech. And so I broke dance in <strong>the</strong> afternoon [when Obama won in<br />

2008] because we did stop McCain and Palin. But <strong>the</strong> next morning I<br />

knew <strong>the</strong> social forces behind him (Wall Street and so forth) needed to be<br />

called into question. So when I went after Larry Summers, went after Tim

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