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laundering money for—through Iran. This, again, comes on <strong>the</strong> heels <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> Libor scandal, which has already caught up two major British banks—<br />

<strong>the</strong> Royal Bank <strong>of</strong> Scotland and Barclays. So, you have essentially all <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> major British banks now are inveigled in <strong>the</strong>se enormous scandals. We<br />

have a couple <strong>of</strong> arrests, you know, today involving low-level people in<br />

<strong>the</strong> Libor thing, but it doesn’t look like any major players are going to be<br />

indicted criminally for any <strong>of</strong> this.<br />

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And this whole argument that <strong>the</strong> bank is too<br />

big to indict because <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> threat to <strong>the</strong> world financial system, most<br />

people don’t know thatHSBC stands for Hong Kong and Shanghai<br />

Banking Corporation. It’s a British bank that goes back to <strong>the</strong> early days <strong>of</strong><br />

British colonialism in Asia.<br />

MATT TAIBBI: Sure.<br />

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And is it too big to be indicted?<br />

MATT TAIBBI: The amazing thing about that rationale is that it’s<br />

exactly <strong>the</strong> opposite <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> truth. The message that this sends to everybody,<br />

when banks commit crimes and nobody is punished for it, is that you can<br />

do it again. You know, if <strong>the</strong>re’s no criminal penalty for committing even<br />

<strong>the</strong> most obvious kinds <strong>of</strong> crimes, that tells everybody, investors all over<br />

<strong>the</strong> world, that <strong>the</strong> banking system is inherently unsafe. And so, <strong>the</strong><br />

message is, this is not a move to preserve <strong>the</strong> banking system at all. In<br />

fact, it’s incredibly destructive. It undermines <strong>the</strong> entire world confidence<br />

in <strong>the</strong> banking system. It’s an incredible decision that, again, is met with<br />

surprise even with—by people in <strong>the</strong> financial community.<br />

AMY GOODMAN: On Tuesday, Thomas Curry, head <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Office<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Comptroller <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Currency, <strong>the</strong> lead regulator for HSBC in <strong>the</strong><br />

U.S., defended <strong>the</strong> settlement.<br />

THOMAS CURRY: These actions send a strong message to <strong>the</strong><br />

bank and to <strong>the</strong> financial services industry to make compliance with <strong>the</strong><br />

law a priority to safeguard <strong>the</strong>ir institutions from being misused in ways<br />

that threaten American lives.<br />

AMY GOODMAN: That’s Thomas Curry, head <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Office <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

Comptroller <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Currency. It seems like a lot <strong>of</strong> people who are in<br />

prison right now—low-level thieves, criminals, drug launderers, people

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