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virtually disappeared. But we remained committed to <strong>the</strong> idea <strong>of</strong><br />

workplace organizing and wanted to continue experimenting with selfmanagement.<br />

So we started to do ideological work with <strong>the</strong> carpenters<br />

between 1983 and 1999. When 1999 rolled around, I was working as a<br />

carpenter and also spending time on my writing and o<strong>the</strong>r personal<br />

projects.<br />

It might be hard for you to imagine what <strong>the</strong> Bolivarian Process<br />

meant for someone like me. When I was working in carpentry I was trying<br />

to build a little bubble where I could live free from exploitation, in<br />

harmony with <strong>the</strong> environment. However, I knew that this wouldn't go<br />

beyond me and my children and my grandchildren. I wanted to prepare a<br />

little safe space for <strong>the</strong>m and also a space where I could write and work on<br />

art. Then in 1999, <strong>the</strong>y knocked on my door and said, “Now you have to<br />

come out from your space and govern!” (Gasp). It was a huge surprise. It<br />

was a life-changing event.<br />

SS and RM: Why do you think <strong>the</strong> mesas técnicas de agua have<br />

been so significant for <strong>the</strong> Bolivarian Process?<br />

SA: During <strong>the</strong> first six years <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> process, <strong>the</strong> MTAs were <strong>the</strong> most<br />

significant spaces for public participation in Venezuela and had <strong>the</strong> biggest<br />

impact. That's why in 2005 Chávez said that he was in love with <strong>the</strong> mesas<br />

técnicas de agua.<br />

The mesas técnicas de agua have enabled people to overcome<br />

incredible situations <strong>of</strong> adversity. In 2000, <strong>the</strong> MTAs spent <strong>the</strong> entire year<br />

dealing with <strong>the</strong> Vargas landslide.[2] There had been a long period <strong>of</strong><br />

heavy rain and <strong>the</strong> results were tragic. To put things in perspective, when<br />

<strong>the</strong> USAID worker responsible for <strong>the</strong> recovery (back when USAID still<br />

worked in Venezuela) flew over <strong>the</strong> site to survey <strong>the</strong> damages, his<br />

reaction was “three Mitches!” He said that what he saw was three times as<br />

bad as <strong>the</strong> devastation caused by hurricane Mitch. So we knew it was a<br />

real tragedy. The water supply was totally destroyed in <strong>the</strong> state <strong>of</strong> Vargas.<br />

Then, we faced <strong>the</strong> collapse <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Barlovento dam, which left many<br />

parts <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> capital without water. The mesas técnicas made it possible for<br />

people to face so much adversity. Read More

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