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Geithner, went after Gary Gensler and all the Wall St. folk who inhabited
his space, his cabinet, Rahm Emanuel, his chief of staff, and so forth, they
[his supporters] said ‘you’re turning on the President!’. I said ‘no, I’m just
being consistent. I’m being true to what I said’. But then that’s where the
demonization set in. But, you know, that goes with the territory.
PG: Was there a break-dance this November?
CW: God, no! He’s had four years and he’s proved himself to be a
Wall St. President, he’s proved himself to be imperial to the core, he’s
proved himself to be a war criminal. And you have to call that for what it
is. And people say ‘oh you hatin’ ‘ and I say ‘I’m a Christian. I hate the
deed; I don’t hate the person’, because he has the potential to change.
Malcolm X was a gangster for a long time; he was wrong, he changed and
he became a great freedom fighter. All of us have the capacity to change,
you see. And so in that sense, you know, as a Christian, ‘you love your
enemies’ which means you better have some! (laughs) Because if you take
a stand for poor and working people, you gonna’ have some enemies! That
was part of what Jesus had in mind – if you go through life with no
enemies, you’re probably not living a good life. You’re going to have
enemies if you take a stance. And, the question about loving them is not
sadomasochistic: you’re not loving your oppressors because they’re
beating you down but because they’re still human beings and you know
you have the capacity, inside of you, to actually engage in those same
kinds of vicious forms of revenge, envy, domination, hatred and so forth.
And therefore that allows a self-critique within your own soul. But, you
know, I don’t want to get too theological here but the point is that it’s been
a challenge. But what’s interesting now is that more and more people are
coming around. I gave a talk in San Francisco with 4,000 people; in New
York, 3,000 people. You think, ‘wow, this thing is getting bigger and
bigger and bigger!’. Read More
Austerity — the Battle Cry of the 1%
In Search of a More Just World
by
Mark Vorpahl