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Growing the global economy<br />

Q<br />

I would like to see a<br />

commitment to ensuring<br />

global demand in a<br />

global economy that is<br />

still short of its potential<br />

Why does the global economy seem<br />

to be locked into a pattern of low and<br />

slowing growth?<br />

A No one fully understands. Among the<br />

factors are the hangover from the financial<br />

crisis and hysteresis effects associated with<br />

low levels of investment both in capital and<br />

in research and development.<br />

We appear to have an emerging excess<br />

of savings over investment. Because of<br />

rising inequality, rising desire to pay down<br />

debt, demographic factors and increased<br />

uncertainty, households have a growing<br />

propensity to save.<br />

However, businesses are less desirous<br />

of investing because of a more slowly<br />

growing labour force, reductions in the<br />

price of capital goods and an ongoing<br />

demassification of the economy. That<br />

tendency for savings to exceed investment<br />

makes growth sluggish, puts downward<br />

pressure on inflation and also, because of<br />

the supply-demand balance for funds, puts<br />

downward pressure on real interest rates.<br />

That’s the secular stagnation idea.<br />

Q How has Britain’s Brexit vote to leave the<br />

European Union harmed growth prospects?<br />

A It has raised uncertainty in Britain,<br />

which will reduce investment. It has also<br />

driven down the value of the British pound,<br />

which will suck demand towards Britain<br />

from the rest of the world.<br />

It has also raised uncertainty about<br />

populist threats in other countries and<br />

doubts about the euro area, which is the<br />

world’s largest economy, if you think of it<br />

as one economy. None of this can be good.<br />

It would make a mistake to confuse<br />

the strong stock market post-Brexit, which<br />

reflects expectations of easier monetary<br />

policies, with a judgement that Brexit is<br />

not economically significant.<br />

Q What is your concept of 'responsible<br />

nationalism' and the new principles of<br />

economic policy needed to counter the<br />

challenges that low growth, Brexit and the<br />

rise of Donald Trump bring?<br />

A Trump represents a serious threat to<br />

the liberal economic order. That has to<br />

raise uncertainty and slow down business<br />

investment across a swath of industries.<br />

The establishment of a more integrated,<br />

more managed global economy since the<br />

Second World War has brought immense<br />

benefits for people both in developing<br />

countries and in the industrial world.<br />

Yet there has been a recent tendency for<br />

global integration to be pursued for its own<br />

sake rather than for the benefit of workers<br />

and the middle class. Too much of the<br />

political agenda involves issues of primary<br />

concern to multinational corporations and<br />

their shareholders rather than the workers.<br />

We have had more emphasis<br />

on intellectual property relative to<br />

cooperation in collecting corporate<br />

taxes, more emphasis on<br />

investment protections<br />

and less emphasis<br />

on environmental<br />

protection, more<br />

emphasis on<br />

harmonising rules<br />

for service providers<br />

and less emphasis<br />

on protecting<br />

financial stability.<br />

We are seeing<br />

the price of that in<br />

the backlash against<br />

globalisation.<br />

Q Are there policies most likely to return<br />

the global economy to strong, sustainable<br />

and balanced growth?<br />

A I've emphasised large increase in public<br />

investment almost everywhere where<br />

infrastructure needs to be strengthened.<br />

I have also emphasised greater<br />

collaboration regarding highly mobile<br />

capital. There is also the question<br />

of international tax cooperation.<br />

I think we have to pay attention to issues<br />

relating to beggar-thy-neighbour exchange<br />

rate policies in a world that will likely be<br />

chronically short of demand.<br />

My hope would be that the <strong>G20</strong> will<br />

provide an opportunity for strengthening<br />

a vision that emphasises the twin pillars of<br />

growth and fairness in the long run.<br />

Q China has put innovation as its first<br />

priority for the Hangzhou Summit.<br />

What components of innovation should<br />

be highlighted?<br />

A I am not sure that innovation as a theme<br />

is likely to be particularly fruitful, rather<br />

than addressing specific issues, such as<br />

public investment, the distribution of<br />

returns or global cooperation on regulating<br />

mobile capital. Focusing on the long run is<br />

a good idea.<br />

Q What actions can the <strong>G20</strong> at Hangzhou<br />

best agree on to restore growth that<br />

benefits everyone?<br />

A I would like to see a commitment to<br />

ensuring adequate global demand in a<br />

global economy that is still significantly<br />

short of its potential.<br />

A firmer commitment<br />

would follow policies<br />

to promote public<br />

investment, assure a<br />

continuing flow of<br />

trade and support<br />

getting income to<br />

those who most need<br />

it in order to spend it.<br />

In a world where<br />

inflation is not much<br />

of a problem anywhere,<br />

a greater focus on demand<br />

would be very desirable.<br />

Q Is the <strong>G20</strong> still our best hope for getting<br />

this kind of international cooperation?<br />

A The <strong>G20</strong>’s efficacy goes up and down.<br />

It made an enormous difference in 2009.<br />

It lost its way somewhat with its<br />

embrace of austerity and public debt<br />

as a central problem. That reflected<br />

misjudgements of the economic situation<br />

more than the failures of the <strong>G20</strong> as an<br />

institution. Strength and weakness are<br />

opposite sides of the same coin.<br />

The <strong>G20</strong> is a representative global body.<br />

Consequently it is very heterogeneous,<br />

including countries as different as Saudi<br />

Arabia and Argentina, as China and the UK.<br />

Because of that diversity, when consensus<br />

can be found it is important.<br />

It is not surprising that the <strong>G20</strong> comes<br />

to substantial consensus less frequently<br />

than might seem ideal. That’s the price of<br />

universality, which makes its consensus that<br />

much more important. <strong>G20</strong><br />

106 <strong>G20</strong> China: The Hangzhou Summit • September 2016 G7<strong>G20</strong>.com

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