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Growing the global economy<br />
Q<br />
I would like to see a<br />
commitment to ensuring<br />
global demand in a<br />
global economy that is<br />
still short of its potential<br />
Why does the global economy seem<br />
to be locked into a pattern of low and<br />
slowing growth?<br />
A No one fully understands. Among the<br />
factors are the hangover from the financial<br />
crisis and hysteresis effects associated with<br />
low levels of investment both in capital and<br />
in research and development.<br />
We appear to have an emerging excess<br />
of savings over investment. Because of<br />
rising inequality, rising desire to pay down<br />
debt, demographic factors and increased<br />
uncertainty, households have a growing<br />
propensity to save.<br />
However, businesses are less desirous<br />
of investing because of a more slowly<br />
growing labour force, reductions in the<br />
price of capital goods and an ongoing<br />
demassification of the economy. That<br />
tendency for savings to exceed investment<br />
makes growth sluggish, puts downward<br />
pressure on inflation and also, because of<br />
the supply-demand balance for funds, puts<br />
downward pressure on real interest rates.<br />
That’s the secular stagnation idea.<br />
Q How has Britain’s Brexit vote to leave the<br />
European Union harmed growth prospects?<br />
A It has raised uncertainty in Britain,<br />
which will reduce investment. It has also<br />
driven down the value of the British pound,<br />
which will suck demand towards Britain<br />
from the rest of the world.<br />
It has also raised uncertainty about<br />
populist threats in other countries and<br />
doubts about the euro area, which is the<br />
world’s largest economy, if you think of it<br />
as one economy. None of this can be good.<br />
It would make a mistake to confuse<br />
the strong stock market post-Brexit, which<br />
reflects expectations of easier monetary<br />
policies, with a judgement that Brexit is<br />
not economically significant.<br />
Q What is your concept of 'responsible<br />
nationalism' and the new principles of<br />
economic policy needed to counter the<br />
challenges that low growth, Brexit and the<br />
rise of Donald Trump bring?<br />
A Trump represents a serious threat to<br />
the liberal economic order. That has to<br />
raise uncertainty and slow down business<br />
investment across a swath of industries.<br />
The establishment of a more integrated,<br />
more managed global economy since the<br />
Second World War has brought immense<br />
benefits for people both in developing<br />
countries and in the industrial world.<br />
Yet there has been a recent tendency for<br />
global integration to be pursued for its own<br />
sake rather than for the benefit of workers<br />
and the middle class. Too much of the<br />
political agenda involves issues of primary<br />
concern to multinational corporations and<br />
their shareholders rather than the workers.<br />
We have had more emphasis<br />
on intellectual property relative to<br />
cooperation in collecting corporate<br />
taxes, more emphasis on<br />
investment protections<br />
and less emphasis<br />
on environmental<br />
protection, more<br />
emphasis on<br />
harmonising rules<br />
for service providers<br />
and less emphasis<br />
on protecting<br />
financial stability.<br />
We are seeing<br />
the price of that in<br />
the backlash against<br />
globalisation.<br />
Q Are there policies most likely to return<br />
the global economy to strong, sustainable<br />
and balanced growth?<br />
A I've emphasised large increase in public<br />
investment almost everywhere where<br />
infrastructure needs to be strengthened.<br />
I have also emphasised greater<br />
collaboration regarding highly mobile<br />
capital. There is also the question<br />
of international tax cooperation.<br />
I think we have to pay attention to issues<br />
relating to beggar-thy-neighbour exchange<br />
rate policies in a world that will likely be<br />
chronically short of demand.<br />
My hope would be that the <strong>G20</strong> will<br />
provide an opportunity for strengthening<br />
a vision that emphasises the twin pillars of<br />
growth and fairness in the long run.<br />
Q China has put innovation as its first<br />
priority for the Hangzhou Summit.<br />
What components of innovation should<br />
be highlighted?<br />
A I am not sure that innovation as a theme<br />
is likely to be particularly fruitful, rather<br />
than addressing specific issues, such as<br />
public investment, the distribution of<br />
returns or global cooperation on regulating<br />
mobile capital. Focusing on the long run is<br />
a good idea.<br />
Q What actions can the <strong>G20</strong> at Hangzhou<br />
best agree on to restore growth that<br />
benefits everyone?<br />
A I would like to see a commitment to<br />
ensuring adequate global demand in a<br />
global economy that is still significantly<br />
short of its potential.<br />
A firmer commitment<br />
would follow policies<br />
to promote public<br />
investment, assure a<br />
continuing flow of<br />
trade and support<br />
getting income to<br />
those who most need<br />
it in order to spend it.<br />
In a world where<br />
inflation is not much<br />
of a problem anywhere,<br />
a greater focus on demand<br />
would be very desirable.<br />
Q Is the <strong>G20</strong> still our best hope for getting<br />
this kind of international cooperation?<br />
A The <strong>G20</strong>’s efficacy goes up and down.<br />
It made an enormous difference in 2009.<br />
It lost its way somewhat with its<br />
embrace of austerity and public debt<br />
as a central problem. That reflected<br />
misjudgements of the economic situation<br />
more than the failures of the <strong>G20</strong> as an<br />
institution. Strength and weakness are<br />
opposite sides of the same coin.<br />
The <strong>G20</strong> is a representative global body.<br />
Consequently it is very heterogeneous,<br />
including countries as different as Saudi<br />
Arabia and Argentina, as China and the UK.<br />
Because of that diversity, when consensus<br />
can be found it is important.<br />
It is not surprising that the <strong>G20</strong> comes<br />
to substantial consensus less frequently<br />
than might seem ideal. That’s the price of<br />
universality, which makes its consensus that<br />
much more important. <strong>G20</strong><br />
106 <strong>G20</strong> China: The Hangzhou Summit • September 2016 G7<strong>G20</strong>.com