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PCR Exhibits - Alaska State of Corruption

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around Rather then just picking one – probably not even a very big one I mean I think him<br />

lying to me about my rights to enforce that agreement, lying to me and everybody else,…<br />

OSTERMAN: What’s that get<br />

HAEG: …and – and lying… It shows that he’s got a conflict <strong>of</strong> interest. Why else would<br />

an attorney lie to a client Just tell me that.<br />

OSTERMAN: I can think <strong>of</strong> a number reasons why they would.<br />

HAEG: Would all <strong>of</strong> them include a conflict <strong>of</strong> interest<br />

OSTERMAN: No.<br />

HAEG: And why not<br />

OSTERMAN: People lie for any reason not just for a conflict. Lawyers no better then<br />

anybody else. When they lie they lie. They lie because they didn’t do something they were<br />

supposed to do,…<br />

HAEG: Don’t…<br />

OSTERMAN: … they lie because they took money they shouldn’t have taken, they lie<br />

cause they’re trying to hide some deficiency on their behalf…<br />

HAEG: Exactly…<br />

OSTERMAN: I can’t tell you why they lie.<br />

HAEG: Isn’t that… Everyone <strong>of</strong> them isn’t he… When you lie isn’t it so that you end up<br />

with a better outcome yourself<br />

OSTERMAN: That I come in with a better outlook – or better outcome<br />

HAEG: Yeah – every person that lies - isn’t normally the lie, in whatever fashion;<br />

doesn’t it always come back to because it’s a benefit to the person who is lying<br />

OSTERMAN: More then likely, yeah. Or a benefit to some other<br />

person or even the third party.<br />

HAEG: Yeah a third party that will in turn will benefit…<br />

OSTERMAN: Mm hmm…<br />

HAEG: … onto the person that’s lying. It might not directly be beneficial to them but<br />

eventually it will get there. Right Well isn’t my benefit supposed to come first over the<br />

attorneys when I hire him<br />

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