PCR Exhibits - Alaska State of Corruption

Mr. Osterman: Well things that were on the record are certainly part of it. Bear with me for a
second. You...
Mr. Haeg: They weren't anywhere to be seen in the brief.
Mr. Osterman: Listen – listen to me. You're the one that came to me and hounded me for a
draft and I told you I wasn't happy about shipping you out a draft but I would see to it that you
got one. Well you got the draft that came back to me from Joel Rothburg, that outlined the
issues that were goanna be discussed in your case. Now you got all bent out of shape about what
the orders goanna be, and what does this mean, and what does that mean, and I don't like this,
and I don't like that, and I don't know what this word means, or that word means. I got news for
you. The brief isn't written. You haven't seen the final product. You only saw the document
provided to me by a person I retained on my behalf to help me with writing your brief.
Mr. Haeg:
No because you told me that you told him about the ineffective assistance of
counsel stuff and none of that was in any of the materials I sent you. So you were a part of that
brief. That's what you told me ...
Mr. Osterman: That's right.
Mr. Haeg:
So you telling me now that you weren't
Mr. Osterman: Oh no I – I did very – had very little writing – in fact -uh- probably if you take
– if you took a look at the ineffective assistance portion of that – that was my draft of that
particular issue. Joel never wrote that I did.
Mr. Haeg: Hmm.
Mr. Osterman: That particular issue was put in by me ...
Mr. Haeg: Yep.
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