PCR Exhibits - Alaska State of Corruption

saw someone that if the State wanted to make a – an example out of anybody this was a prime
case. And I initially thought, – and – and I talked about this with Kevin, if we got a reduction
anywhere below 5 years in this I thought we were goanna be doing well, initially.
Shaw: Five years to serve
Cole: No five years on his license. They – they really don't give too much jail time on these
things. I mean they like to give a little bit but the kicker is – but – and the troopers know it – it's
the license. That's what's valuable, that's what – that's what hits home, that's
what scares all the guides around the State is all of a sudden they could be out of business and
they know you know being out of business means you know and for 5
years it is almost impossible to come back. -Um- and so -um- I started talking to I
– I (exhales) -um- David has raised this deal with Scot Leaders – I did not have that much
experience with Scot Leaders - he had not been a DA that long. He was the fish and wildlife DA
but I had a number of cases of with him. -Um- 4 to 5 at least – 3 – 3 that I can think of right off
the bat. Two of which resolved themselves in the course of this and – and – and were
another part of the reason why I kept telling David -um- that he needed
to get the DA onboard.
Shaw: Have you had cases in which judges made the license suspension retroactive...
Cole: Oh yeah.
Shaw: ... to a date when somebody voluntarily stopped hunting
Cole: And they – and he was goanna do it in this case too.
Shaw: So what was the -um- understanding that you had as Mr. Haeg went into this -umconversation
where he provided information to the prosecutors
Cole: We were – we were falling on our sword. Ok. It was a deal that his
statement would not be used against him – kind of a king for a day.
Shaw: It was a deal That was the deal
Cole: That was my understanding, yeah. Cause it says July 1 st – now that was because we had
represented that David was not going to be guiding in the fall of 2004 and so he put that date in
there. It was goanna be going back to July 1 st – it's right there.
Shaw: Does it say that
Cole: Yeah "parties agree that each years term will end effective July 1 st ".
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