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MB that has to do with you financial prognoses and especially <strong>for</strong> yourself. In the end it is interesting<br />

whether people will hire others. That is very interesting.<br />

MB how important is that <strong>for</strong> really the start?<br />

MB It is important that you think about how you can become sustainable, but how important is it whether<br />

you will hire people in a couple of years?<br />

CS But if someone after three years still didn't make it... I think you should also look at that.<br />

CS you can see it by the financials that is where you see your income and your costs. That way you can<br />

tidy take that away from the potential of the business.<br />

CS after two years, your company should have grown from 1 FTE to 1.8 FTE. That are factors that<br />

determine whether the necessary growth is there.<br />

CS at some point they have to be able to hold up their own pants. That is how it works, and that is<br />

something you can do or not. It can take a year or two.<br />

CS Similar with when you win the lottery. That you are put right away under some management, because<br />

people do not know what to do with that kind of money and that all of a sudden everybody is their<br />

friend.<br />

CS It has to lead to something and you really have to work <strong>for</strong> it.<br />

CS I think you can see that by the figures, the financial figures.<br />

CS A bank will also ask your annual reports and there should be some growth.<br />

CS There are curtain models <strong>for</strong> entrepreneur, where they should have setup their business within 1-5<br />

years.<br />

CS it used to be that you have to invest a lot in the first three years, but after three years you need to start<br />

making money. That growth curve needs to be there.<br />

CS get somebody to work, so he can get other people to work, that they are out of that circuit and can<br />

become sustainable, able to pay <strong>for</strong> his one cost of living.<br />

AP Somebody has an idea and than they do the same. Those people create a stiff competition <strong>for</strong> each<br />

other<br />

AP It is not going to be a very profitable business, they will be able to repay their loan, they will have<br />

something left, and because they had nothing everything that will be left is a substantial improvement<br />

AP There are people that have an entrepreneurial spirit and manage to build something<br />

AP Most people are already happy that they can get a loan. That loan is not always used to start up a<br />

business,<br />

AP you can also get a loan and use is <strong>for</strong> a flat screen television to put it oddly, but it happens. Maybe not<br />

a flat screen television but the marriage of the daughter.<br />

AP It is all about survival, staying alive. If those people would have the choice, than they would not be<br />

entrepreneurs.<br />

AP They would prefer to have a steady job, but those are not available, so to stay alive they will have to do<br />

something. In developing countries that is 99% of the people.<br />

AP There a lot of people had too much loans and just couldn't pay back anymore, causing the MFIs to<br />

default.<br />

AP There is a gap between MFI and big banks. In between it is difficult to find finance, which is also the<br />

gap where more the real entrepreneurs are, the SME.<br />

AP The missing middle, loans of !10.000 - !100.000. Those amounts are too big <strong>for</strong> the MFI and too small<br />

and risky <strong>for</strong> the mainstream banks. That is the birth room of entrepreneurship.<br />

AP the focus should be on that group, because they have the most growth potential,<br />

AP everybody that is in the missing middles comes from the microfinance sector. How do you make sure<br />

that from the microfinance those people flow to the next level?<br />

Elmar Hoogendoorn 116<br />

<strong>Sustainable</strong> <strong>Microfinance</strong>

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