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AP Somebody has an idea and than they do the same. Those people create a stiff competition <strong>for</strong> each<br />

other<br />

AP There has been created a big myth around microcredit, a view that costumers start a business, that<br />

that works successfully and that they hire employees. That is nonsense, absolutely nonsense.<br />

AP in developing countries the MFI usually are sustainable.<br />

AP The competition is increasing, in the first years it did not matter what you did, you would 'get ride of'<br />

your money any way, get ride of, be able to disburse enough loans.<br />

AP Now you see the competition increasing and the more professional your organization is, the better you<br />

will get out of that battle<br />

AP there is a bubble growing under the microfinance market. In some countries the bubble already<br />

bursted. A lot of people had too much loans and just couldn't pay back anymore, causing the MFIs to<br />

default.<br />

AP When you provide a loan of hundred euros, than you cannot add a lot of extra costs, because it needs<br />

to remain financially sustainable. On a bigger loan you can do more.<br />

AP There is a gap between MFI and big banks. In between it is difficult to find finance, which is also the<br />

gap where more the real entrepreneurs are, the SME.<br />

AP The missing middle, loans of !10.000 - !100.000. Those amounts are too big <strong>for</strong> the MFI and too small<br />

and risky <strong>for</strong> the mainstream banks. That is the birth room of entrepreneurship.<br />

AP the focus should be on that group, because they have the most growth potential,<br />

AP everybody that is in the missing middles comes from the MF sector. How do you make sure that from<br />

the MF those people flow to the next level?<br />

AP I find the idea of microcredit in the Netherlands relatively ridicule,<br />

AP I can imagine that in the Netherlands the primary goal is to make that sustainable.<br />

AP maybe it can not be financially sustainable, but as a society we find it so important that we want to<br />

spent public money on that. Make a clear decision on that.<br />

AP That really depends on your objectives, do you only want to focus on those entrepreneurs, where you<br />

know or expect that they will make it.<br />

AP upfront you can never predict that, in that sense it will be a guess.<br />

Elmar Hoogendoorn 135<br />

<strong>Sustainable</strong> <strong>Microfinance</strong>

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