January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

etter than Tyson, against a 1996version of Holyfield. This is worthy of
attention !Foreman is bigger than Tyson, is more powerful, has a better jab
! Maybe even Foreman II was better than Tyson ( Tyson afterjail), Foreman I
would have distroyed Tyson in 2 rounds, in my opinion !RS-May you go
into that story of Liston tooking 5 person in the street ? I'm a Liston fan and
this is very exciting to me.|
|9/11/03 03:11:35 PM|Gerry Schultz|Cleveland,
Ohio||jgschultz11@msn.com||||9|Massimo, I do not give Holyfield credit for
beating Tyson. He deliberately headbutted him in both fights, he also got away
with an amazing amount of clinching. Tyson, who is arguably boxing's all-time
villain, was the champ no one wanted, Holyfield buffaloed alot of people into
thinking he was the " Real Deal". But he was not a good enough boxer to beat
Tyson, he had to cheat. Tyson realized no one would call a fair match for him in
that second fight and took matters in his own hands ( teeth ) to defend himself.
Do not agree Foreman's power was better than Tyson. If a 1973 Foreman met a 1987
Tyson, the quicker Tyson would knock the defensively-poorer Foreman out.
Holyfield, who won the title when a 246-pound Buster Douglas took a dive, will
always be overrated to me, though he was an outstanding fighter. A match at 200
lbs. between him and JQ would, to me, be a very interesting match.|
|9/11/03 03:17:20 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10| MORE ON LISTON:
I remember reading that Ali recently said that Liston was the scariest guy he
ever fought. |
|9/11/03 03:27:21
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadsholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo - I'll do
some research and see if I can find out any more on that business with the five
guys in the street. It was part of an article I read years ago about Sonny, when
he "worked" for the unions. While I doubt any of the guys he took were wearing
gay pride buttons, at the same time, a man with Liston's size, athletic ability,
and devastating punch, could have taken them one-five, one punch each, when he
landed.|
|9/11/03 04:29:51 PM|Angelo|Washington,
DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Roadscholarette: Your msuings on Liston remind us
what a force he was. It also reaffirms Ali's greatness---handling Liston's
powerful style in the first fight. Liston was the odds-on favorite and had the
killer reputation, but when they got in the ring, it's funny how Clay looked so
much younger, leaner, faster and even stronger. He made Sonny look like an over
the hill old man, and I don't think that was the case. In a way, it reminds me,
on some level, of how Buster Douglas shattered the Tyson mystique. Douglas was
bigger, heavier and his jab just kept pounding on Tyson. Tyson did hurt him,
but it was a bump in the road and Douglas picked back up on dismantling Tyson.
It was another case of a bully meeting someone who wasn't afraid to mix it up.
That Liston-Wepner match is interesting to watch. It doesn't have sound and
it's an old black and white film. Looks like it was shot Super 8 or something.
Wepner wasn't a quality opponent I admit---but Liston still showed that he had
something left. It's amazing to me that Liston, by 1970, could still fight on
that level. I never saw the Leotis Martin fight---how bad did Liston look? I
wonder how a 1969-70 Liston-Frazier match would have turned out? Liston could
still hit hard. |
|9/11/03 04:50:48 PM|Massimo|Rome||gg||||10|RS-Thanks RS, but don't worry
for Liston's story...Andre's height is more important ( ah ! ah!)! Calvin Lane
is lucky that Dallas is so far from Rome...If not I 'd go there with my 5'6"
128lbs giant body to smash his face ! Everybody keep saying how big Calvin Lane
is... That sucker is nothing ! I'm too fast for him !Gerry-Ali' clinched
often against Frazier (especially in the second fight)and Foreman and he is
ranked among the best ever...There wasn't a single moment in the two
Holyfield-Tyson fights in which it seems to me Tyson could hurt Holyfield.
Thanks !|