January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

given George a tough fight at any point of Georges career. I remember George
stopped Peralta in their second meeting (10 tough rounds).The fight Pastrano
had with Peralta sticks with me because no one expected Pastrano to win and
Willie was critized ( esp. by Archie Moore) for not having a punch. Pastrano
came out bombing from the opening bell and won by tko in 6th round.Couple
other interesting things about Pastrano is he won title as big underdog against
the great Harold Johnson as a substitute for a substitute. I forget who the 2
fighters were that had to miss out on there title chances but Willie really
cashed in on his big chance.I also heard that Ali picked up a lot of boxing
knowledge from Pastrano. They had same trainer Angelo Dundee.|
|2/20/04 02:17:55 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|I have just seen a wide sinthesis of
Ali'-Bonavenaand it was a very close fight ! I'm not sure that Ali' was
ahead after 14 rounds. Oscar hit him withseveral hard left hooks. What a
tough fighter Oscar was ! A hell of a fighter ! Even if his style was quite
clumsy he knew how to fight, he knew all the tricks and his left hook was very
hard. Ali' looked in trouble at the end of round 9.If that fight were been a 12
rounds fight maybe Oscar would have won on points, or obtained a draw. The
simple fact that Peralta held his own twice against Bonavena and Small George
proves he was a great fighter !|
|2/20/04 07:11:57 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|I always felt
that if there had been a Cruiserweight division at the time, Peralta would have
been a champion. I think him and Patterson would have been a good match up.
Bonavana was what I call akwardly clever. He was a strong guy, and a clumsy
cutie. Ali had only gone three rounds since him comeback (against JQ) and needed
to work off a lot of rust -- so Bonavena was perfect for him. Had Ali had about
two more tune-up before the first Frazier fight, he may have won. |
|2/20/04 11:20:41 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|You are right
John, Ali needed two more fights after Jerry and Bonevena before he went after
Frazier. My plan for him would have been two fights with fighters below the top
ten contenders, then Bonevena, and Jerry after this, before Frazier. The
problem was, nobody except Jerry and Bonevena would fight him.Ali didn't
make the same mistake twice by not being totally prepared for his second
comeback title shot. He fought about fourteen times against a lot of the
current contenders of the times, including his rematch with Jerry and his loss
and win agaisnt Norton, and his rematch win over Fraizer, who had lost the title
to George Foreman, before challenging Foreman for the title. |
|2/20/04 04:52:51 PM|Forest Ward|New York City||NY NY||||10|There dozens of
fighters who would have fought Ali when he made his comeback,not just: Frazier,
Bonevana, and Quarry. The problem was Ali was rushed for time. There was no
guarantee that he was going to win his draft case. The fights had to be made as
soon as possible, in case he went to jail.|
|2/20/04 05:37:09 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Forest, I
seem to remember that not many would fight Ali when he wanted to return but of
course, you could be correct that more fighters were willing to take on Ali and
the time factor was definitly a consideration because as I said before, the
threat of Ali going to jail was real, as Forest states also. Ideally of course
Ali would have been better prepared for Frazier had he had more than two tune up
fights before his title shot. It was still a great victory for Frazier
as Ali did fight at a high level. Frazier/Ali one will always be one of the
best fights of all time and it truly lived up to its title of Superfight.|
|2/20/04 10:04:21 PM|Ed|Cicero n y||mooseygoop@aol.com||||10|Mass:Yeah the
ninth round of Ali vs Oscar fight was the focal point of the fight. Before the
fight Ali promised he'd k o Oscar in the 9th, so Oscar fought doubly hard in
that round. After the fight Ali admitted he almost got ko'ed himself in that
round. I remember Bonavena was a really wild acting guy ( I seen him play real
rough with Howard Cosell, punching him in the stomach), so much so that Ali
didn't go into his ususal crazy acts with him. Ali probably figured Oscar would