January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|12/6/03 07:18:19 PM|Massimo|Rome||$||||10|KooKof ( if he calls me Massino, I
call him that way)My last sentence was Latin not Italian. My friend Evan
B. spoke to me in Italian first, so I responded him in the Dante's
language.Ok, I'm gonna speak in American slang, with the Oregon's accent.
I have just seen Carneravs Sharkey 2 and Primo was a very good heavy ! Live
with it and eat lasagne... Yo, KooKof !|
|12/6/03 09:29:42 PM|Pete|Cleveland||pco@msn.com||||10|"Comparing: Doug Jones,
Zora Folley, Mildenberger, Henry Cooper, Brian London, George Chuvalo. To:
Quarry, Bonvena, Shavers, Norton,Young, Lyle,Foreman is quite a
stretch.The second group of fighters were younger, stonger and more
talented than the 1st group I named. Even using your logic, would anyone doubt
that Floyd Patterson put up a better fight against Ali in 1972 than he did in
1965."PATTERSON PUT UP A BETTER FIGHT IN '72, BECAUSE ALI WAS SPENT; IN
'65, HE WASN'T. DOUG JONES WAS NOT A BAD FIGHTER AND I WOULD HAVE TO RANK
HIM ABOVE THE LIKES OF BONAVENA AND YOUNG. JERRY WAS NOT UNLIKE CHUVALO, IN THAT
THEY BOTH HAD A LOT OF HEART AND COURAGE. JERRY WAS A BETTER BOX OFFICE DRAW,
BUT THEIR FIGHT, REGARDLESS OF THE MANDATORY 8 COUNT, WAS MORE OR LESS EVEN AND
BOTH FIGHTERS WERE FINISHED BY THEN ANYWAYS. LONDON, MILDENBERGER, COOPER, FOLEY
WERE MIDCARD PLAYERS, IN MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT BONAVENA AND YOUNG WERE. THE
ONLY FIGHTERS FROM PHASE 2 THAT YOU MENTION, THAT DESERVE SOME RECOGNITION WOULD
BE GEORGE FOREMAN(he became champion and was put down by Ali. This was Ali 2's
greatest moment and it's a shame he didn't retire on the spot); RON LYLE(he was
tough and a hard hitter. He had great courage and heart, but I don't see him
surpassing DOUG JONES, when Ali fought him.) KEN NORTON(who did he beat...Ali
once and Jerry. He couldn't get past Foreman, Holmes or Shavers. He was a top
contender for a while. His most impressive victory was probably over Duane
Bobick.) EARNIE SHAVERS(much over-rated because of his knockout power. Lost
against Ali, Holmes, Quarry.) |
|12/7/03 12:27:22 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Pete,
Patterson clearly fought better agaisnt Ali the second time around because in
the first fight, Patterson was suffering from back problems. His back went out
on him early in the fight and while he lasted longer in the first fight, twelve
rounds, as opposed to seven in the second fight, Patterson was never a factor in
the first fight. It had little to do with Ali slipping in
albility.Vitali Klitschko sure looked good tonight in knocking out Kirk
Johnson inside of two rounds. But Johnson didn't help matters any by coming in
at 260 pounds. I can't see how a fighter can be that much overweight for a
major fight. At 6'7" 250 pounds, Klitschko went after Johnson and manhandled
him, something that nobody has ever done to Johnson. Lewis had better look out
if he decides to fight Klitschko again. |
|12/7/03 02:12:23 AM|Evan B|Belfast||evanb46@juno.com||||10|Maybe it's time
again for each of us to publish our opinion of the top 5 (or 10) heavyweights of
1960-1980. Mine are: 1. Ali2. Frazier3. Foreman4. Liston 5.
Holmes6. Young7. EllisThat's as far as I can remember with
specificity. My feeling is that looking only a records, rounds, punches in
fights, and comparing opponents and records against is a good objective basis
but has two problems -- one if that it's more or less unlimited and tentative,
for there are always more angles to look at for human beings without
supercomputer data-crunching capability; and second that subjective judgments
and intuition are more powerful and comprehensive. Different people also
interpret data (like results or knockdowns) differently, especially when these
events happened 35 or 40 years ago, when some of the people writing on this site
were small children. These are the strongest boxers as I remember them. I
should say fighters because the point has been made that Ali did not know how to
box in the traditional meaning of the word, and never learned. Why don't I
include Quarry? He didn't win his big fights or fights against these guys.
Facing Muhammad Ali coming off a 3 or 4 year layoff was a perfect opportunity