January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

This confused Ali (the reason for the first official defeat, and the second one
too, though Ali got the nod). Frazier was hard to mirror or predict. He came
from reverse sides, over, under, doubling hooks, all from that crazy bobbing
(always with a step in). I don't think Frazier-Norton would go the distance.
You're probably right that Frazier would have continued to be pot-
shotted, though other than Joe's eyes, Frazier was in better shape. Ali was a
wreck. He was collapsed in his dressing room afterwards, skin gray, puking, when
he heard JF was out talking to the press. Then he went out. Good thing this one
wasn't in an alley. Of course, Ali is lucky he never fought Quarry out behind
the "Drink 'Til 2:00, Pistol Dawn" lounge either! In the second Ali-Quarry, it
was interesting that when Jerry tackled him, Ali didn't respond instinctively as
a street fighter would.Back to Norton - I always saw Norton as a superb
athlete who functioned well in boxing on that natural ability, but that this
wasn't quite the right sport for him (he took it up out of more desperation than
anything).|
|1/9/04 02:09:46 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Thanks for the
info Forest. The book I read it in didn't give the full story. It just said that
the level was lowered, leaving the inference that Ali was being singled out by
that action. The further information you gave, which I accept as accurate, was
not canvassed (obviously because it spoilt the discrimination inference they
were trying to make). On the second aspect though, can you recall any other
boxers around that particular period who were also drafted like Ali ? It
wouldn't prove anything either way I suppose, but I would be interested to know.
Massimo - who would win Frazier v Holmes ? I think that would have been one hell
of a fight. Holmes beat Cooney's left hook. But wasn't that a left from Tyson
that put Holmes down and out (at the end of his career) ? Could he have survived
Joe's left in their respective primes ? Cheers.|
|1/9/04 04:37:58 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Hi RS - I have
to say that talking about who had more marks on their face, or who was more
incapacitated after a fight, is childish. After all, Frazier spent two months in
hospital after the first Ali fight and no one tried to suggest that Ali won that
one, did they ? Quibbling over facial marks etc, smacks of being a poor loser.
You despise Ali, we all know that, but can't we move onto something else ? Even
when you are commenting on other fights, you keep returning to attacking Ali,
like some sort of spooky fixation or fatal attraction. I'm done talking about
Ali v Frazier. So let's move on. Who would have won between Marciano and Tyson ?
Cheers. |
|1/9/04 04:49:36 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Paul-I have seen Holmes in the
ring only 4 times: Holmes-Frank, Holmes-Frazier ( Marvis), Holmes-Mercer and
Holmes-Tyson. As you can see, I have seen Larry at his best only twice and never
against " monsters ", so I can' t honesly answer your question. On Frazier' s
side there would be the fact that Holmes wasn' t powerful enough to keep Joe
away. On the other hand, on Holmes' s side there would be his fantastic jab.|
|1/9/04 10:31:09
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo -
Marvis was really mismanaged. He was born with the fantastic athletic
genes of dad, but not the destructive instinct. He was rushed as well, and while
Joe might have done OK against Holmes or Tyson that early in his career, it was
a disaster for Marvis. The fights made him a millionaire though.Holmes
was a great and underrated fighter, who never got to test himself against the
real animals. He was over the hill for Tyson, and Ali was shot for him. He had a
fantastic jab. It was better than Ali's because it was more fundamentally sound,
and as fast.Against a '71-'75 Ali? They both knew each other from
sparring. Possibly Ali - trickier. On Larry's side, he was no dummy, and was
also very adaptable and quick. Possibly not quite the chin of the rock jawed
Ali, but he wouldn't have needed it.Against Frazier? Joe broke his ribs
in sparring, and I'm not sure Larry could have stood the pressure. However, we