January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

ones he got in real fights. And Koo Koo, Tyson would NEVER have beaten Ali.
NEVER. Teddy Atlas once said that Tyson would have lasted seven rounds maximum
with Ali. By then Ali would have broken Tyson psychologically. Atlas said that
Tyson was never strong enough mentally to beat Ali, Louis and the other greats.
Apart from Tyson's weak psychological state, he would not have been able to
knock Ali out and it would be sheer fantasy to think that he could beat 'The
Greatest' on points by out-boxing him. Likewise, Louis would not have had any
problems with Tyson. A Tyson v Marciano fight would have been different, though.
Marciano would have soaked up some punishment from Tyson before stopping him
late in the fight. Tyson had most of the tools bar two - mental toughness, and
the ability to absorb punishment. Ali and the others were always willing to pick
themselves up off the canvass to win a fight. Tyson wasn't.|
|10/7/03 04:59:21 AM|Massimo|Rome||8||||10|KooKoo-I think nobody can
deny Joe Frazier was a great champion. He had arguably the best left hook ever
and surely the biggest heart ever. The 3 Ali' fights are a wonderful gift for
all the boxing's fans. I doubt that even a prime Tyson could have beaten the
Frazier of Thrilla. Tyson never showed a big heart. I can't see him fighting
like a lion for 14 rounds as Frazier did.I never saw Tyson coming from
behind, overcoming difficulties and finally winning a tough fight. He never
showed Frazier's heart !|
|10/7/03 07:13:46 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Tyson was only
good if he could intimate his opponents. Actually he was GREAT if he could. But
if the other guy was not afraid (Holyfield, Douglas, Lewis) something died in
him. Tyson would have wet his pants at the weigh in had he ever fought Sonny
Liston. One glare from Sonny would have sealed it. He would have spanked Mike
like he was a little boy. I would honestly bet my life on that.|
|10/7/03 09:12:20
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Paul - yes, I
remember reading the same thing. I imagine there's something physiological about
being able to take a punch too, but I don't think there's any doubt that part of
the psychological component is one's intimacy with it. He said ahead of the
Foreman fight that the fact that he (Ali) had been down, had been stunned, and
knew how to handle it, gave him a big advantage over Foreman, who had careened
to the championship like a semi knocking aside Volkswagens. I remember reading
Ali's descriptions of the half dream, the hallucinations, the things he heard,
and how he welcomed it, rather than freaking. Cus d'Amato, Patterson's and
Tyson's trainer, said that anyone who's knocked out by a punch they see coming,
secretly wants it to happen. I think that may be going a little far, but it
certainly addresses the mind's possible chaotic response to a massive assault,
which Ali likely minimized by becoming familiar with it. Steve -
>the best fight between two mortal human beings that will ever take
place!That's for sure. Never has there been such a combination of
emotion, physical skill, and anticipation.|
|10/7/03 01:46:42 PM|max hord|fernandina bch,fla||rasluc@msn.com||||10|I
explained my personal thoughts about one's ability to take a punch in an earlier
post.I'll say it again but in a different way.It is the way one is physically
put together that determines ability or lack of it to take a hard punch without
going down or out.The glass jaw term is used when a fighter gets floored by an
average punch.His jaw doesn't break as stated.Every fighter is different in
their make up.Some can get better by learning to slip and relax when tagged and
others just get tense and anxious waiting to get tagged.Result is down!!Good
example are tough man contests where the baddest street fighters hit each
other.Most of the time someone gets knocked cold by an average shot to the
head.A lot of big strong guys can't do 1 pull up,ever notice that?Ali was the
master at taking punches and Big George got rocked by some average fighters.He
showed it when Ali didn't. |
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