January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

predictable, and strict boxing movies have even Rocky Balboa as
champion.The street fighting aspect is interesting, since first of all,
in a ring these guys are way above the capabilities of the ordinary person. But
secondly, since everyone who watches a fight secretly wonders how they'd fare if
they were in there, the street probably gets their hopes a little higher, away
from the Marquis of Queensbury. A little alcohol may play a part too, I
imagine!|
|10/1/03 05:04:40 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|I have just read that Ring Magazine
in 1998 rated Holyfield above Foreman !!! That's a swearword !! Evander is great
but not so great ! Lennox Lewis rated 32...Another swearword !He is surely a
top 20 all time, maybe a top 10.Ali' called him the greatest of all time !
Was hejoking ? Is he crazy ! Lewis's fights against Golota, Ruddock, Tyson,
Grant, Botha, Morrison, Tua etc are masterpieces !|
|10/2/03 02:39:39 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|MASSIMO: The all
time greatest rankings from Ring Magazine have always been whacko. The orginal
editor Nat Fleisher wrote that he believed Max Schmelling would have beaten Ali.
Fleisher rated Jack Johnson as the all time best heavy, and I believe, Jim
Jeffries as the #2. I personally rate Ali as the greatest heavy of all time,
with Foreman #2. Right before he died, Jack Dempsey rated Sam Langford as the
greatest. We will never know will we?|
|10/2/03 03:55:37 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|John-I agree with you: Ali'
is the number 1, Foreman is the number 2. Jack Johnson was surely a champion,
but his fights were so boring. If anyone can't sleep, my advice is to watch a
Jack Johnson's fight. Don't you agree ? RS has some doubts about the Ali'-
Foreman fight ! I think that fight was too beautiful to be fixed...The only
thing that I can't understand is why the ropes were so loose... What do you
think about ?|
|10/2/03 10:33:41
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|I've read old
copies of Ring Magazine when Fleischer was editor, and he was very anti-Ali. He
grudgingly gave him ~some~ due, but MA could have beaten Foreman and Frazier on
back-to-back nights, and if he'd been dropped, that would lead. He even refused
to call him Ali. Fleischer also tended to go with the ~real~ old timers,
possibly even fighters who kissed his ass (from whenever). I remember in one of
their "Who'd beat who" features, he even had scarecrow Bob Fitzsimmons taking
Frazier, and he liked Joe! He also had Benny Leonard beating Roberto Duran at
lightweight.I've noticed that Muhammad Ali tends to laud fighters he's
either beaten, or never has to fight. Could he be doing that with Lennox Lewis?|
|10/3/03 02:44:31 AM|Ed|Cicero N Y||Mooseygoop@aol.com||||10|R SYea you got
Nat Fleischer pegged correctly. He loved the old timers. He prided himself on
keeping a clean magazine. i guess back in the 60's and before there was a lot of
sex and tawdry stuff in the fight magazines and he had one the whole family
could look at. The old Ring Magazines do seem more interesting then the new ones
though, not that i was around to remember the fights. I liked the sketches that
one artist use to do too. One thing he never touched on much either was the
fixing and mob control of fighters back then, and from what i've gathered there
was a lot of it. Ever check out the old fight magazines on ebay? They're not
very expensive and are fun just to look at the old covers, some go back to the
30's. P S I couldnt quite follow you on your last post..4th sentence down.
Not like you to be incoherent so maybe its me. lol|
|10/3/03 06:44:54 AM|Massimo|Rome||e||||10|I have read in boxing record archive
that Bonavena weighted about 280 lbs against Jimmy Ellis. Is it true? This would
explain howJimmy could beat him !|
|10/3/03 07:49:21 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|MASSIMO: Bonavena
weighed about 205 in his fight against Ellis. That was one of Oscar's worst
fights ever. He was knocked down twice in that fight. Bonavena was about 6'
tall. He was from Argentina but his parents came from Italy. He was a pretty