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January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

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alance, and power on ice, in skates. |<br />

|12/5/03 04:50:04<br />

PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|BTW, when I was<br />

real little, my Dad took me and my brothers down to Navy Pier in Chicago, where<br />

Ali trained for a while (before moving to Coulon's), while in training for his<br />

Ellis fight the Summer after Frazier. It was cool! He really trained hard -<br />

shadow boxed, jumped rope, hit the bags, and sparred with serious intent, rather<br />

than gym rope a doping like he did later. Of course to a little kid, anyone<br />

would have looked good, but I still knew I was seeing something special. My Dad<br />

filmed it on 8mm movie film too, so I've been able to view it from an adult<br />

perspective too! One other interesting thing: he and his sparring partners<br />

really scrapped, and he was better than they were, but he didn't beat the crap<br />

out of them as many champions did/do, just because he could have. I thought that<br />

was pretty classy.|<br />

|12/5/03 06:11:02 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|RS-In soccer, if you are a<br />

bum you have no problem... But if you are good, they' ll kick the shit out of<br />

you !!!!!!Do you remember Olartigoecea and Maradona ? |<br />

|12/5/03 10:02:16 PM|Forest Ward|South Carolina||joekevin@cs.com||||10|For too<br />

long now, Muhammad Ali has been given tremendous praise for his victory over<br />

Cleveland Williams. Many knowledgeable boxing fans regard this as Ali's<br />

greatest fight. I think it's about time the record has been set straight on<br />

that "fight."That "fight" was the biggest hoax put over on the public,<br />

since Floyd Patterson fought Pete Radermacher. At least when Patterson fought<br />

Radermacher everyone knew it was a sham. But when Ali fought Williams the public<br />

regarded it as a legitimate "fight." Nothing could be further from the truth.<br />

Williams took 2 or 3 bullets in the stomach from a 357 magnum about 18 months<br />

prior to the Ali fight. Normally one 357 magnum bullet in the stomach is enough<br />

to kill someone. Although Williams did the loose one kidney After<br />

getting out of the hospital with a bullet still in his kidney, and not fighting<br />

in 18 months; Williams had 4 fights in 4 months. Williams fought and beat: Ben<br />

Black, Mel Turnbow, Sonny Moore, and Tod Herring. As a result of knocking out 2<br />

of these "tigers," Williams "qualified" for a fight with Ali. It should be noted<br />

that the last legitimate contender that Williams beat was Earnie Terrell. He<br />

knocked Terrell out in the 7th round in April of 1962. That's right 4.5 years<br />

and 3 bullets earlier.<strong>The</strong> point I am making is when one talks about<br />

Ali's great fights, and there were many make no mistake about. That Williams<br />

"fight" should have never been allowed, and should not be regarded as a "fight".<br />

No matter what the record book may say. An exhibition would be more realistic<br />

description. Let me make it clear I am not denigrating Cleveland<br />

Williams, in his time he was a very good fighter. And the lifetime goal of any<br />

fighter is to fight for the championship. But by Nov of 1966, his time had<br />

passed; he was just a shell of the fighter he once was. Williams finally retired<br />

in 1972. What really amazes me is that somehow he was not lured out of<br />

retirment in the early 80's, and signed to fight Gerry Cooney.A few<br />

tidbits about that fight. <strong>The</strong> fight was promoted by Bob Arum. He later guided<br />

Butterbean to the championship. And if yopu look closely at the tape of the<br />

Ali-Williams fight you can see Don King in the ring after the fight is over<br />

standing next to Ali grinning. Ironically, this fight took place after King's<br />

most recent homocide, apparently he was out on bail. Because soon after he was<br />

sent to prison for murder. |<br />

|12/5/03 10:36:34 PM|kookoo|ny||kookooclock000@yahoo.com||||10|Lets be real,<br />

Williams was not able to defend himself against Ali.Ali looked so good<br />

because Williams had nothing to offer. Come onHe couldn’t miss his face , it<br />

was a sad night for boxing. Like a lot ofOther sad nights. <strong>The</strong> idea of Mike<br />

and <strong>Jerry</strong> fighting on the same nightWas a bad idea, because if 1 lost it<br />

would effect the other. By the way IDidn’t like ken Norton , I thought he<br />

was so full of himself, another guyWho I didn’t like knocked him out (gerry

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