January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

asses" means, but why someone should kick a bed ?It's not a smart behavior.
It could be very painful !!!! |
|10/24/03 06:30:49 PM|Fran|S. E. PA||plc7755@aol.com||||10|I don't think Ali
took Frazier lightly at all but he didn't think he was as good as he proved to
be. Kicking out of bed is a phrase we use to say that a woman was hot enough
that you wouldn't kick her out of bed.|
|10/24/03 06:45:52 PM|Fran|S.E. PA||plc7755@aol.com||||10|Ali Frazier and
Foreman along with Quarry, Lyle,Shavers Norton was a great era. I remember
watching Ken Norton and Joe Frazier go to war at 7 champs gym in NJ when Joe was
training for Foreman. Norton was Jumping on Frazier with right hands and Frazier
was getting shook to his toes then he'd fire a left hook back and almost take
Nortons head off. These guys were killin each other in the gym. |
|10/24/03 07:05:27 PM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Massimo - I
don't think that Ali underestimated Frazier's ability; instead I don't think he
realised just how determined Frazier was to beat him. Frazier really took to
heart the insults Ali tossed around before the fight and I've always thought
that hatred drove Frazier to another level. Ali always made out that he went on
with all that stuff to promote the fight but some of the things he said were
particularly offensive. I recall an amusing story about Ali calling Frazier an
"Uncle Tom" before one of their fights. While that term is particularly
offensive to a black American, Frazier says in his book that he misinterpreted
the comment to mean that he was a 'peeping Tom'. |
|10/24/03 07:13:31 PM|George Buell|Beverly Hills, CA||gbuell84@aol.com||||10|I
like the discussion of pound-for-pound best all-time. I think there should be
two categories for it: Heavyweight and All-Other. For many reasons, beginning
with the widest weight range and also with the impact of heavyweight punches on
the brain (which is one size for all), heavyweight is different. I think Duran,
Robinson and Leonard would all be good choices, and it depends on what nuances
you value most in a boxer. Monzon would be another possibility, along with
Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, etc. Would anyone consider the little guys? I
grew up in Southern California and always heard a lot about Jesus (Little
Poison) Pimentel, ChuChu Castillo, Ruben (Shotgun) Olivares, Fighting Harada,
and others from the 60s and 70s. Pimentel had a record of 110-0 for a while,
with 95 or so KOs. Skeptics said many of his victories were against barnyard
chickens in Mexico. But these guys often fought each other and I have never seen
a flyweight or bantam dogging it. (Massimo, "dogging it" means fighting like a
lazy dog, fighting like merde, paisan.) Their fights were not often televised,
though, which is why I ask my question. There was a big showdown between
Castillo and Olivares in about 1971 at the Forum in Inglewood. A bunch of us
college guys drove down from UCLA, but when we got within a couple of blocks of
the place, the foot traffic everywhere stopped us. There must have been 100,000
Mexican men in the streets for the fight, and the Forum only held 15,000 or so.
It was a real fiesta day. In my opinion, the best fighters in the world come
from Mexico, where so many boys 4 or 5 years old begin learning the fundamentals
from their fathers and uncles. The country has produced hundreds of great
fighters, but curiously, no great heavyweights. |
|10/24/03 07:18:19 PM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|RS - I forgot
to mention this in my last post. While Ali was always properly prepared for
fights with Frazier, his biggest weakness I think was that he took other
fighters too easily. He often didn't prepare properly for fights and went in
overweight and complacent. He lost fights he should have won. I think this was
his biggest weakness. Maybe it wasn't just complacency; perhaps he just had too
many distractions outside the ring. On the other hand, Frazier was always ready
to fight. I can't recall him ever taking anyone easy (even Foreman). The ones he
lost just weren't winable for him. And he always won the fights he should have
won. Fran - were you in the room watching Frazier and Norton spar ? I would have
given my right arm to watch something like that. |