January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

get a feel for his fighting!Link:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Lodge/6525/JJJ.htm|
|10/4/03 01:10:43 PM|Massimo|Rome||5||||10|Mc Cline has just beaten Boswell by
KO 10.I don't think Mc Cline is a top 10 contender, but he would be a
good test for Mike Tyson...Jameel is no Clifford...|
|10/4/03 01:59:38 PM|Evren|London||@||||10|I did'nt say Chuvalo was stopped
prematurely. Some people (chuvalo amongst them) felt this way. |
|10/4/03 02:09:53 PM|Massimo|Rome||5||||10|Evren-I have understood this
! I just wanted to add my opinion. I think Chuvalo didn't have a chance in the
wordl to beat ( or of beating, or to beating...Boh !) Foreman. I'm happy that
fight was stopped at that point, because Foreman could have hurt Chuvalo badly.|
|10/5/03 02:39:24 AM|Ed|Cicero n y||mooseygoop@aol.com||||10|That site on
Jefferies was interesting R S but as I am sure you know boxing back then was a
world apart from boxing now. Did you check his record? They're mostly exhibitons
against same opponent. The heavyweight title back then was sort of a thing that
when you got it you hoarded it, very political too. Thats why that ad by Sam
Langford said he'd fight anyone but Jefferies...Sam knew the ad wouldnt be
credible if it was asking for a heavy title shot, this article turned it around
and made it look like Langford was afraid of Jefferies..from what I read about
Langford he wasn't afraid of anyone and would certainly have loved to get a
title shot but he knew the limitations of black fighters back then. The main
reason comparsions aren't doable is the disorganization of boxing back then.
Much smaller pools of good fighters which means you don't have the attrition
factor like you do now. Fighters sometimes went years between title fight and
still won..what does that tell you? If fighters do that now they come back
extremely rusty looking. Also back then you didn't have the amateur programs
like you do now and whens the last time you remember a top heavyweight fighter
that didn't have an extensive (successful) amateur background? And the sickening
racism of the day took the black fighters out of the picture, think of what
boxing would have looked like in the past 30 years if the blacks had been
eliminated from boxing.Thats not to take anything away from Jefferies, in
his "protected" day he was the best. And one could say if he was a modern day
fighter he would have had amateur experience and such but its just conjecture to
compare from back then. My guess is might he might have been an Andrew Golota
type fighter. Golota had similar athletic abilities, 10 second 100 yard dash,
etc..|
|10/5/03 05:57:34 AM|Massimo|Rome||5||||10|About Toney:I don't
understand how a fighter can add so much weight in so little time without
becomingfat ! He beat Holyfield very well. He is a great fighter, a warrior.
The fact that a former middleweight can beat a heavyweight bothersme. I
don't understand boxing.|
|10/5/03 08:44:12
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Ed –You’re
right, the fight scene was ~very~ different then, as were the styles of
fighting. When they refer to the “fleet footed” Corbett or Fitzsimmons, we
aren’t exactly talking Muhammad Ali flitting like a water bug on speed around a
befuddled Sonny Liston. A “big punch” ~could~ be a big fish in a small pond as
well, as could the ability to take one, or claims of stamina when guys spent a
lot of time just standing in the ring looking at each other. So to say they
could have been plopped down in Manilla or Madison Square Garden and done well
is not something to put your money on. Many old timers would have adapted, but
some would not have. Johnson and Langford were obviously not the only blacks who
had the ability to fight well, but with the way things were, others just figured
it wasn’t worth their time to endure the hassles of trying to establish
themselves.As for records, we have a modern day comparison. Not to take
anything away from Earnie Shavers, but one reason his KO % is so awesome (67 out
of 73 fights) is his competition. There were only three fighters I’ve ever heard