January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|It is the way one
is physically put together that determines ability or lack of it to take a hard
punch without going down or out.>I think mental/emotional architecture
has a big play too, but you're right - there's definitely something about the
construction of the brain, its chemistry (not understood at this point in time)
that makes a big difference.Some can get better by learning to slip and
relax when tagged and others just get tense and anxious waiting to get
tagged.>I've noticed some disparity in the way guys who could take a
punch handled it. Some of the rocks' heads barely turn at all (Frazier, Chuvalo
and Bonavena were like that), while Ali, who really didn't have a bull neck,
swivelled his head, loose as a goose. A strong neck can help for sure, though
Tyson's neck starts at the sides of his earlobes, and he isn't even close to
being in Ali's class for taking a punch (who is?). On a slightly different note,
have you noticed too how often the top fighters are able to keep their eyes open
when tagged, rather than succumbing to the natural instinct to
blink?Result is down!!Good example are tough man contests where the
baddest street fighters hit each other.Most of the time someone gets knocked
cold by an average shot to the head.A lot of big strong guys can't do 1 pull
up,ever notice that?>Oh sure, I have. There are guys in the NFL who are
benching 600 pounds, who couldn't pull themselves up an inch, or the other sort,
the "country boy strong" guys, without any definition at all, who throw guys
around as an angry child would a doll.Ali was the master at taking
punches and Big George got rocked by some average fighters.He showed it when Ali
didn't.>It's interesting to note that both men took punches better when
they became ~men~, not the silly little boys they were at the beginning of their
careers.Speaking of strength, we're members of the Brookfield Zoo near
Chicago, and at one of the parties a couple of Summers ago, one of the curators
of the ape house told a story about one on the gorillas. It's amazing enough the
way they throw those tires around, but this particular ape turned a tractor tire
~inside out~!!!|
|10/7/03 04:50:59 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|Tyson isn't close to being in Ali's
class but he can take a punch very well. In all his losses he didn't fall for a
single punch, but after a long beating. He also took well Ruddock's heavy
punches in both their fights. Toney can take a punch very well too.|
|10/7/03 11:18:21 PM|kookoo|ny||kookooclock000@yahoo.com||||8|you expect teddy
atlas to give you a real answer about tyson vs ali, of course he's going to say
ali, he's sour grapes about tyson, since tyson got rid of him. frazier can have
all the heart in the world it would not do him any good against tyson. liston
never fought anybody even close to being as vicious as tyson. he was way too
slow, it would be a short night for liston. tyson afraid of liston who would
look like he was moving in slow motion. please guys get out of the past, frazier
would just make the top ten if he was lucky, too small, don't hit hard enough,
fraziers left hook , the only one anybody remembers is that knockdown of ali,
which happened in the fifteenth rd when he was dog tired. give me a break man.
coo coo|
|10/8/03 03:45:11 AM|Big Mel|Kompton||bigmel@hotmail.com||||8|koo koo, you are
one strange duck. You have bizarre ideas, you're pathologically opinionated, you
get off on disagreeing with people and making them dislike you, and you smell
like Ezzard Charles' jock strap. You'd be doing everyone here a big favor if
you'd bugger off. If Tyson is so great, how did Holyfield manage to
humiliate him? Twice? Who did Tyson ever beat who was comparable to Ali's
opponents? Or Frazier's? Have you ever watched a boxing match, or do you
fake it what you pick up on these websites? Good comments on Ali's unusual
training to take punches, people. No one so far has mentioned the will to
survive getting hit. Marciano and La Motta both exceled at that. Most of you
have never had regulation fights in the ring. In a tough fight, there will be
many times when you are dazed and could go out. Ali used to talk about being in