January 2002 - March 2004 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

out of gas or out of his mind from exhustion, physical, emotional or otherwise.
George didn't have the mental toughness to beat Ali that night. As for Frazier
fighting Foreman with a different style, bull. Joe only fought one way. You
can't turn a Joe Frazier into a counter punching defensive fighter for one
night. You are what you are. And Joe was pretty good at being Joe. |
|12/3/03 11:10:44 PM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Bob, thanks
for adressing the issues I raised and, while you have not convinced me, you
obviously have an informed and accurate memory on the subject. I just can't get
out of my mind that Joe did not fight the calibre of opponents Ali did and,
relevant also, is that he didn't really have all that many fights after the
first Ali fight. Take the Ali fights out of his resume. What was his best
victory ? Ellis or Quarry ? With all due respects, that doesn't put Joe up there
with Marciano, Louis, Ali, or even Larry Holmes. Also (and sorry to harp back to
it RS) but your accusation that the Ali - Foreman fight was fixed only seems to
be grounded on the assertion that Ali "knew a lot of people" and that the result
was a huge upset. I'd need more than that to even entertain the suspicion that
it might be true. To have fixed that fight would have been a logistical
nightmare. It would have been the hardest conspiracy of all time to pull off.
Apart from Ali and Foreman, the trainers, the judges, the referee, and even a
bank manager would have had to be in the know and how could you trust all them
them to keep quiet about it for the rest of their lives. Wouldn't you worry
about deathbed confessions or even a religious conversion (like Foreman) for
someone to blab out the truth. Imagine how much money had to have been involved
to bribe the crown away from Foreman. So there'd be more problems in hiding a
financial transaction of that magnitude. And if big George was really only
acting in Zaire then move over Russell Crowe because Foreman should have been
the star in Master & Commander, The Insider and all those other films. RS, I
honestly enjoy your posts but I think you missed the mark on this occasion. And
you are not a counterpuncher. You never fully answer the questions asked of you.
Finally, I rate Larry Holmes way above Joe Frazier. Sorry. |
|12/4/03 12:18:28
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Paul – Joe was
supposed to fight Shavers and Knoetzee, but got hepatitis. He didn’t fight
Norton because they were friends. I doubt Norton wanted this anyway, as Joe had
already knocked him out in the gym.Evan –Ali had plenty of weaknesses,
and plenty of “third people in the ring” throughout his career. The greatest
boxer ever? Not a chance. The best brawler? Certainly ~one~ of the best. I just
somehow have never been able to place him completely in the legit column, or as
much more than a talented professional wrestler with concrete for a head. C’mon,
there are lots of ways to fix fights, just as there are in any sporting event.
It’s just that the individual sports are easier and more certain to rig. Norman
Mailer, professional wannabe jock sniffer as boxing expert now, is it? LOL!
I’ve heard him and another guru, George Plimpton talk about both the first
Frazier-Ali, and about Zaire, and they didn’t even have some of the punches and
moves right! I read the book. It was more a book about Norman Mailer once
removed, if you look and read closely.|
|12/4/03 01:23:23 AM|Evan B|Belfast||evanb46@juno.com||||10|Roadscholarette, I
could swear just a week or so you acknowledged Ali as a great champion, although
you thought Frazier was better and he was definitely your favorite. If you think
Ali was merely a talented wrestler with a head of concrete, you have strange
opinions. Why do you lambaste Mailer and Ali? They've observed the sport for 60
or more years, attending most big fights, getting to know all involved, and they
were there at Zaire for weeks. I don't understand you at all. You have cited
your own father and brothers as authorities. As someone just observed, you are
not a counterpuncher. You say fights can be fixed in many ways, but do not
explain even one, let alone Zaire. You don't define race, or other terms or
ideas you've pushed. What are we to think of you? It seems to me you've lost all