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“The Word Concentration Camp<br />

means different Things to<br />

different People”<br />

In January 2009, we went to Oxford to interview Norman Davies, emeritus<br />

pr<strong>of</strong>essor <strong>of</strong> History <strong>and</strong> an eminent scholar <strong>of</strong> twentieth century<br />

<strong>history</strong>, whose books reach large audiences. He wrote extensively<br />

about <strong>the</strong> Second World War <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong> (tragic) <strong>history</strong> <strong>of</strong> Pol<strong>and</strong>, where<br />

he spends a lot <strong>of</strong> his time. We asked him questions which are also<br />

addressed in most <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r contributions in this book.<br />

Q: As politicians, we always try to be careful to separate politics<br />

from <strong>history</strong>. Never<strong>the</strong>less we cannot avoid historical questions altoge<strong>the</strong>r.<br />

How would you define <strong>the</strong> relationship between politicians<br />

<strong>and</strong> historians? Or how do you see your role towards<br />

politicians?<br />

My view is that it is impossible to get a group <strong>of</strong> historians to<br />

produce a m<strong>use</strong>um exhibit <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> truth. They will always disagree,<br />

so you may as well take that as your starting point. Let <strong>the</strong>m disagree;<br />

let <strong>the</strong>m put forward different viewpoints. Trying to get a<br />

group <strong>of</strong> historians to agree is utopian. I was asked for advice on<br />

<strong>the</strong> establishment <strong>of</strong> a m<strong>use</strong>um on <strong>the</strong> Second World War in<br />

Gdansk by Prime Minister Donald Tusk, who actually is a historian<br />

<strong>and</strong> whom I highly regard. I proposed <strong>the</strong>y make pavilions where<br />

each <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> nations <strong>of</strong> Europe can put forward <strong>the</strong>ir own exhibitions<br />

on <strong>the</strong> Second World War, including Russia. The ordinary visitor,<br />

who is perfectly intelligent, can see <strong>the</strong> difference. They will underst<strong>and</strong><br />

that <strong>the</strong> Dutch exhibition is different from <strong>the</strong> Ukrainian, beca<strong>use</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong>ir experiences were so radically different. The input <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

institution itself ought to be confined to basic factual material, which<br />

is not really in dispute.<br />

The Kaczyńskis have been misappropriating state funds for <strong>the</strong><br />

support <strong>of</strong> a particular party historical line. It so happens that<br />

President Kaczyński, when he was president <strong>of</strong> Warsaw, was behind<br />

<strong>the</strong> Warsaw Rising M<strong>use</strong>um. That has turned out very well.<br />

But it was such an obvious gap to be filled that it could hardly fail.<br />

43<br />

An interview with Norman Davies

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