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Politics of the past: the use and abuse of history - Socialists ...

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denying it is like saying evil doesn’t exist. But if you say mild things<br />

about Joseph Stalin nobody will object. One <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> great tragedies<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Soviet Union is that it discredited <strong>the</strong> name <strong>of</strong> socialism.<br />

Poles <strong>of</strong>ten tell me that for <strong>the</strong>m communism equals socialism.<br />

When <strong>the</strong>y say <strong>the</strong>y are right wing, <strong>the</strong>y mean <strong>the</strong>y don’t like communism.<br />

This leads to a lot <strong>of</strong> confusion as to what is left <strong>and</strong> what<br />

is right in politics.<br />

In Pol<strong>and</strong> people have no idea what liberalism is, since liberalism<br />

was condemned both by <strong>the</strong> communists <strong>and</strong> by <strong>the</strong> Catholic<br />

Church. The confusion this ca<strong>use</strong>d still continues. Garton Ash organised<br />

an excellent conference here at Saint Anthony’s, on liberalisms.<br />

Not liberalism, I mean <strong>the</strong> plural. Interestingly a lot <strong>of</strong><br />

Chinese participated, all very interested in hearing what liberalism<br />

is about.<br />

Q: We are struggling in our political work with <strong>the</strong> so very different<br />

perspectives on European <strong>history</strong>. In Western Europe, despite<br />

broad awareness <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> crimes <strong>of</strong> Stalin, <strong>the</strong> Russian Red Army is<br />

<strong>of</strong>ten seen as liberator, but in <strong>the</strong> countries <strong>of</strong> Central Europe views<br />

are, underst<strong>and</strong>ably, completely different. More <strong>and</strong> more <strong>the</strong>se are<br />

becoming subject <strong>of</strong> political debate, which, as you can easily<br />

imagine, is <strong>of</strong>ten hard to resolve. How should we h<strong>and</strong>le <strong>the</strong>se differences?<br />

My latest book on <strong>the</strong> Second World War, ‘Europe at War’ gives <strong>the</strong><br />

background to <strong>the</strong> problems you have. It deals with why Western<br />

Europe developed views on <strong>the</strong> Second World War so very different<br />

from those in Eastern Europe. Western Europe saw a war between<br />

fascism, basically <strong>the</strong> Nazis <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong> Italian fascists, <strong>and</strong><br />

Western liberal powers, who beca<strong>use</strong> <strong>of</strong> American intervention, only<br />

just survived after being almost knocked down in 1940. Eastern<br />

Europe saw a very different war, where <strong>the</strong>re were two enemies.<br />

Theirs wasn’t a war against fascism, but a war in which <strong>the</strong> fascists<br />

were fighting <strong>the</strong> Soviets. Several hundred million people were<br />

caught in <strong>the</strong> middle <strong>of</strong> this double war. The result is that in Western<br />

minds, especially from <strong>the</strong> American point <strong>of</strong> view, <strong>the</strong> Nazis –<br />

<strong>and</strong> to a lesser extent Mussolini <strong>and</strong> Franco – are <strong>the</strong> apex <strong>of</strong> evil.<br />

Their emblematic crime is <strong>the</strong> Holocaust. To anybody from Eastern<br />

Europe this looks simplistic, beca<strong>use</strong> <strong>the</strong> peoples <strong>of</strong> Central <strong>and</strong><br />

Eastern Europe had two great enemies: Nazi Germany <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

47 Norman Davies

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