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forests near Minsk. I was taken <strong>the</strong>re in 1991 in <strong>the</strong> last month <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> Soviet Union. The locals were beginning to dig in <strong>the</strong> forest to<br />

find <strong>the</strong> victims <strong>the</strong>y knew were <strong>the</strong>re. One or two <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> pits had<br />

been opened containing several hundred victims. This massive forest<br />

was full <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>se pits, thous<strong>and</strong>s <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>m. Putin closed it all<br />

down. Arbitrary killing <strong>of</strong> this kind <strong>and</strong> on that scale never happened<br />

in Germany. And supporting Stalin was no guarantee that you<br />

would prosper or be spared. The level <strong>of</strong> paranoia <strong>and</strong> social trauma<br />

after Stalin was much bigger than after Hitler.<br />

Q: If we are honest, we have to conclude that Russia never dealt<br />

with its own <strong>history</strong> in an open <strong>and</strong> honest way. Do you think <strong>the</strong>re<br />

is hope that Russia will confront its <strong>history</strong>? Will we continue to<br />

have this big country as a neighbour <strong>and</strong> a partner that is unwilling<br />

to come to terms with its <strong>past</strong>?<br />

In fact, I think Russia will eventually confront its <strong>history</strong>. They briefly<br />

tried to do so in <strong>the</strong> 1990s under Gorbachev <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong> early years <strong>of</strong><br />

Yeltsin. There was a movement to face <strong>the</strong> truth. Putin is going in<br />

<strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r direction, but I feel he is getting into trouble. Putin is running<br />

out <strong>of</strong> gas, literally. Russia is not producing enough gas to<br />

honour <strong>the</strong> huge contracts it has been signing. Moreover, it is very<br />

difficult to continue to maintain such a closed world <strong>and</strong> exclude difficult<br />

facts in our age. This is only possible as long as people are not<br />

interested in listening <strong>and</strong> questioning, as long as everything is, as<br />

it were, rosy <strong>and</strong> a majority <strong>of</strong> people couldn’t care less about<br />

<strong>history</strong>. But once Putin’s neo-imperialist regime collapses, Russians<br />

will start looking at <strong>the</strong>ir <strong>past</strong>.<br />

Q: And how has, in your view, Pol<strong>and</strong> been dealing with its <strong>past</strong><br />

since 1989? It is <strong>the</strong> country you probably know best.<br />

Not very satisfactorily, I think. The Poles didn’t have any doubts<br />

about <strong>the</strong> major crimes <strong>of</strong> communism. The killing <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Polish communist<br />

party by Stalin before <strong>the</strong> war outraged every Polish communist.<br />

People knew about Katyn <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>history</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Warsaw<br />

Rising. These events passed quite easily. The dispute in Pol<strong>and</strong> is<br />

about Solidarność. These appalling identical twins, <strong>the</strong> Kaczynski<br />

bro<strong>the</strong>rs, play a very questionable role in <strong>the</strong> debate. It is not a dispute<br />

between government <strong>and</strong> opposition, but a dispute between<br />

<strong>the</strong> government <strong>and</strong> a group <strong>of</strong> people who are out to obstruct by<br />

any means possible what is going on. In particular, <strong>the</strong> Kaczyńskis<br />

55 Norman Davies

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