Politics of the past: the use and abuse of history - Socialists ...
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harmonious <strong>and</strong> prosperous, with <strong>the</strong> inclusion <strong>of</strong> Poles, Jews,<br />
Ukrainians, <strong>and</strong> so on.<br />
Q: After such a complicated <strong>history</strong>, do Poles now have a feeling<br />
<strong>of</strong> freedom, independence, <strong>of</strong> being part <strong>of</strong> Europe? Or is <strong>the</strong> <strong>past</strong><br />
still haunting <strong>the</strong>m?<br />
It depends on who you talk to. There are more <strong>and</strong> more enlightened<br />
Poles, young people who want to forget about that difficult<br />
<strong>past</strong>. On <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r h<strong>and</strong>, <strong>the</strong>re still is a big group with a chip in its<br />
shoulder. These are <strong>the</strong> people who say someone is trying to cheat<br />
Pol<strong>and</strong>, whenever <strong>the</strong>re is some kind <strong>of</strong> crisis: ‘The Germans are trying<br />
to <strong>use</strong> <strong>the</strong> EU to achieve what Hitler failed to do.’ That sort <strong>of</strong><br />
nonsense. But, in fact, after joining <strong>the</strong> EU Pol<strong>and</strong> has done very<br />
well. The anti-European, euro sceptic propag<strong>and</strong>a was focussed<br />
especially on <strong>the</strong> peasants. Polish farmers would be starved to<br />
death beca<strong>use</strong> <strong>of</strong> cheap food imports from <strong>the</strong> EU. They even got<br />
to saying that Brussels favoured euthanasia for Polish pensioners.<br />
Absolutely evil things. But it never happened, quite <strong>the</strong> opposite.<br />
Polish agriculture exports have done very well.<br />
Q: During <strong>the</strong> Cold War, many people in countries like Pol<strong>and</strong> <strong>and</strong><br />
Czechoslovakia felt that West European social democrats were<br />
too nice to <strong>the</strong> communist regimes. People like Egon Bahr <strong>and</strong><br />
Willy Br<strong>and</strong>t were regarded with suspicion. How, in your view,<br />
does this connect to this confusion about what social democrats<br />
st<strong>and</strong> for?<br />
That was definitely <strong>the</strong> perception in Central Europe. People like<br />
Willy Br<strong>and</strong>t started from <strong>the</strong> idea <strong>of</strong> convergence: if we talk with<br />
our East German neighbour, <strong>the</strong>y will get closer to us. But <strong>the</strong>y<br />
didn’t. So that line was not very popular in Eastern Europe. In addition,<br />
Western trade unions had close connections with Soviet<br />
trade unions in order to increase <strong>the</strong>ir leverage against <strong>the</strong>ir own<br />
governments. It was common knowledge in Eastern Europe that<br />
Soviet trade unions were organs <strong>of</strong> repression <strong>and</strong> had nothing to<br />
do with workers’ rights. Western parties, like <strong>the</strong> Labour Party which<br />
had close connections to <strong>the</strong>se trade unions lost a lot <strong>of</strong> credibility<br />
as a result.<br />
Q: We asked György Konrád this same question <strong>and</strong> he said <strong>the</strong>se<br />
social democrats had been ra<strong>the</strong>r naive. Do you think Br<strong>and</strong>t’s<br />
57 Norman Davies