Politics of the past: the use and abuse of history - Socialists ...
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Ostpolitik was totally misconceived? Perhaps <strong>the</strong>y believed that<br />
<strong>the</strong>se parties could change from within, but <strong>the</strong>y were certainly not<br />
fellow travellers. Moreover, <strong>the</strong>y wanted to have a dialogue on <strong>the</strong><br />
armaments race, which was very threatening in <strong>the</strong> 1980s. And<br />
<strong>the</strong>y hoped that <strong>the</strong> Helsinki agreements would create space for<br />
<strong>the</strong> opposition. Were <strong>the</strong>y totally wrong by trying to find an opening<br />
for dialogue, instead <strong>of</strong> fuelling <strong>the</strong> confrontation like Thatcher <strong>and</strong><br />
Reagan did?<br />
The Helsinki accords definitely had a very positive effect beca<strong>use</strong><br />
all sorts <strong>of</strong> underground committees started to take human rights<br />
very seriously. People in Eastern Europe had never heard <strong>of</strong> human<br />
rights. I think that did give <strong>the</strong>m some hope. But I don’t think American<br />
opposition to Soviet communism was just an image, an empty<br />
shell. The US was <strong>the</strong> chief opponent <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Soviet Union. The US<br />
was seen as limiting <strong>the</strong> power <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Soviet Union. Many in Central<br />
Europe believed, to put it simply, <strong>the</strong>y would be all dead without<br />
<strong>the</strong> United States. That is part <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> background to <strong>the</strong><br />
pro-Americanism <strong>of</strong> many Central Europeans. Ano<strong>the</strong>r important<br />
element was <strong>the</strong> fact that <strong>the</strong>y had millions <strong>of</strong> relatives in <strong>the</strong> United<br />
Sates, especially <strong>the</strong> Poles. They knew jolly well that <strong>the</strong>ir uncle in<br />
Chicago sent 10,000 dollars a year <strong>and</strong> drove a car. They had pictures<br />
<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> ho<strong>use</strong>s <strong>the</strong>y were living in, <strong>the</strong>ir st<strong>and</strong>ard <strong>of</strong> living. In <strong>the</strong><br />
1960s <strong>and</strong> 1970s <strong>the</strong> contrast was enormous. While communist<br />
propag<strong>and</strong>a promoted <strong>the</strong> idea <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> prosperous socialist society,<br />
it was obvious to everyone that image was false. That was a big element<br />
<strong>of</strong> pro American feeling. I am not <strong>the</strong> greatest admirer <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
US, but in Eastern Europe it remains very difficult to criticise <strong>the</strong><br />
US, or aspects <strong>of</strong> its policies.<br />
Q: Why did <strong>the</strong> system collapse? Beca<strong>use</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> outside pressure,<br />
or <strong>the</strong> armaments race?<br />
It collapsed beca<strong>use</strong> it was brain dead. I usually liken it to a dinosaur<br />
that had a heart attack <strong>and</strong> died on its feet. Nobody attacked<br />
it. Few would have believed that <strong>the</strong> KGB in 1991 wouldn’t be able<br />
to mend a coup against Gorbachev <strong>and</strong> save <strong>the</strong> Soviet Union. But<br />
<strong>the</strong>y had just forgotten how to do things. Gorbachev himself was<br />
totally unaware <strong>of</strong> reality. He wanted to save <strong>the</strong> Soviet Union, but<br />
he had no clue how it worked. The whole system just collapsed<br />
under its own weight. The regimes gradually lost faith in what <strong>the</strong>y<br />
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