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I think that quite a lot <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> young historians who worked on that<br />

project were competent <strong>and</strong> not preoccupied with a certain reading<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>history</strong>. But if <strong>the</strong> Kaczyńskis would do a m<strong>use</strong>um on<br />

Solidarność, that would be a total disaster. Wałęsa would probably<br />

be washed out like Trotsky.<br />

Q: Is <strong>the</strong>re such a thing as objectivity in <strong>history</strong>? What do you take<br />

as <strong>the</strong> basic rule?<br />

I believe in <strong>the</strong> famous slogan <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Manchester Guardian: ‘facts<br />

are sacred, interpretation is free’. If somebody wants to write that<br />

<strong>the</strong> Second World War started in 1935 in Albania, most people<br />

would say that is not all right. But if you want to analyse what happened<br />

in <strong>the</strong> Second World War you need a bookshelf. It is<br />

surprising that sixty years after <strong>the</strong> Second World War <strong>the</strong>re is no<br />

agreed textbook on what happened in <strong>the</strong> war.<br />

Full objectivity is impossible. We must strive to objectivity, but we<br />

can never quite get <strong>the</strong>re. However, a historian should try to be<br />

impartial <strong>and</strong> should try <strong>and</strong> look at every event from different points<br />

<strong>of</strong> view. The best chances <strong>of</strong> getting near <strong>the</strong> truth, is to construct<br />

different perspectives before making a judgement. A historian has<br />

a duty to make a judgement, but also to state clearly ‘this is my<br />

opinion <strong>and</strong> this is <strong>the</strong> evidence I put before you’. In o<strong>the</strong>r words,<br />

historians should separate judgement from evidence.<br />

Q: You say interpretation is free. So if a Romanian colleague tells<br />

us a story about his interpretation <strong>of</strong> Romanian <strong>history</strong>, which we<br />

think is totally absurd, we can conclude his story has no real value,<br />

not even politically.<br />

It depends on why you think it’s absurd. If you are talking about an<br />

event, for example <strong>the</strong> participation <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Romanian army in <strong>the</strong> attack<br />

on <strong>the</strong> Soviet Union <strong>and</strong> your Romanian colleague tells you no<br />

Romanians fought in <strong>the</strong> Soviet Union you can say ‘forget it’. But if<br />

we get to <strong>the</strong> question <strong>of</strong> why <strong>the</strong>y were <strong>the</strong>re, you are on difficult<br />

ground. But usually nationalistic historical propag<strong>and</strong>a is very<br />

stupid. It’s very easy to recognise things that are obviously false.<br />

Q: What do you feel is <strong>the</strong> position <strong>of</strong> <strong>history</strong> in <strong>the</strong> European<br />

project? Should we, as European politicians, deal extensively with<br />

<strong>history</strong>? Or should we look to <strong>the</strong> future <strong>and</strong> leave dealing with <strong>the</strong><br />

<strong>past</strong> to historians?<br />

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