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SM AND SC HIZO<br />

REN<br />

Vittorio Marchetti: Your book Anti-Oedipus has as its subtitle<br />

Capitalism and Schizophrenia. Why What were the basic ideas that<br />

fu rnished your starting point<br />

Gilles Deleuze: Perhaps the basic idea is this: the unconscious is<br />

"productive." To say that it produces means that we must cease to<br />

treat it, as we have up till now, as a kind of theater in which a very<br />

special drama, the drama of Oedipus, is enacted. We believe that<br />

the unconscious is not a theater, but a factory. Artaud said something<br />

very nice on this topic. He said that the body, especially the<br />

sick body, is like an overheated factory. Not a theater at any rate.<br />

To say that the unconscious "produces" means that it is a kind of<br />

mechanism that produces other mechanisms. Which is to say that<br />

according to us the unconscious has nothing to do with a theatrical<br />

presentation, but rather with what we could define as "desiringmachines."<br />

We must also be clear about the word "mechanism."<br />

Mechanistic theory in biology has never known how to understand<br />

desire, and basically ignores it because it cannot incorporate desire<br />

into its models. When we talk about desiring-machines, about the<br />

unconscious as a mechanism of desire, we mean something quite<br />

different. To desire consists of this: to make cuts, to let certain<br />

contrary flows run, to take samplings of the flows, to cut the chains<br />

that are wedded to the flows. This whole system of the unconscious<br />

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