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Felix Guattari: I don't like that word "paleo-logic" very much<br />

because it sounds too much like "prelogical mentality" and other<br />

such phrases which have represented an invitation to the literal<br />

segregation of both children and the mentally ill. So I don't know<br />

how to approach a "paleo-logic."<br />

Gilles Deleuze: Besides, logic is not a concept that interests us. It's<br />

such a vague term; everything is logic and nothing is logic. But as for<br />

the question, as for what I would call its technical aspect, I really<br />

wonder if what you have with schizophrenia, with so-called primitive<br />

peoples, with children, is really a logic of sensible qualities.<br />

Maybe we are losing track of our point. It's striking that we<br />

should fail to see that the logic of sensible qualities is already too<br />

theoretical a formula. We're neglecting something which is "pure<br />

lived experience." Maybe it's the lived experience of the child, or<br />

of the so-called primitive, or of the schizophrenic. But lived experience<br />

does not mean sensible qualities, it means "intensification,"<br />

it requires an "I feel that ... " "I feel that" means that something is<br />

happening inside me, which I am living intensely, and the intensity<br />

is not the same thing as sensible qualities; in fact it's quite<br />

different. It happens all the time with schizophrenics. A schizophrenic<br />

says, "I feel that I'm becoming a woman" or "I feel that<br />

I'm becoming God." Sensible qualities aren't the question here. I<br />

suspect that Arieti in fact remains stuck at the level of a logic of<br />

sensible qualities, but that doesn't really help in dealing with the<br />

words of a schizophrenic. When a schizophrenic says "I feel that<br />

I'm becoming a woman" or "I feel that I'm becoming God" or "I<br />

feel that I'm becoming Joan of Arc," what does he really mean<br />

Schizophrenia is an involuntary and stupefying experience, something<br />

very, very acute, very intense, with high levels of intensity.<br />

When a schizophrenic says "I feel that I'm becoming a woman, I<br />

feel that I'm becoming God," it's as though he were passing<br />

62 :'

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