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Chaosophy - autonomous learning

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If we want to understand something about what is happening<br />

in terms of desire in the social machine, we have to go through that<br />

narrow pass that the object constitutes right now. It's not enough<br />

to assert that everything is desire, but show how that happens. I<br />

will add a final question: what do you use your "contraption" for<br />

What relation can there be between the fascination of a flawless<br />

machine and the true excitement of a revolutionary project That's<br />

the question I'm asking you, on the level of action.<br />

Roger Dadoun: In any case, your "machine" -or your "contraption"<br />

[machinJ-works. It works very well in literature, for example,<br />

for capturing the flow or the "schizo" circulation in Artaud's<br />

Heliogabalus; it works for entering more deeply into the bipolar<br />

schizoid/ paranoid oscillation of an author like Romain Rolland; it<br />

works for a psychoanalysis of dreams-for Freud's dream, known<br />

as "Irma's injection," which is theatrical in an almost technical<br />

sense, with its staging, close-ups, etc., it's like a film. It remains to<br />

be seen how this works for the -child ...<br />

Henri Torrubia: Working in a psychiatric ward, I would especially<br />

like to emphasize one of the nodal points of your theses on schizoanalysis.<br />

You assert-with arguments that, to me, are very illuminating-the<br />

primacy of social investment and the productive and<br />

revolutionary essence of desire. This raises such theoretical, ideological,<br />

and practical problems that you should expect a general outcry.<br />

We know, in any case, that to undertake an analytical psychology<br />

in a psychiatric establishment, without the possibility for "each"<br />

person to keep questioning the institutional network itself, is either<br />

a waste of time or, in the best of cases, won't go very far. In the<br />

current climate, moreover, nothing can go very far. That being the<br />

case, when an essential conflict emerges somewhere, when something<br />

goes wrong, which is precisely the sign that something like<br />

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