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I.G.: Nu, n-a fost aøa. Montaseræ expoziflia Wanderlieder, organizatæ de WimBeeren…H.U.O.: Fostul director, nu?I.G.: Da. Øi cred cæ a fost ultima expoziflie pe care a fæcut-o. A conceput-o cu operemonumentale, care au fost construite la fafla locului…S.P.: Ah da? Deci totul s-a fæcut chiar la Amsterdam?I.G.: Da. A fost o compoziflie de mari dimensiuni.H.U.O.: Afli avut legæturi øi cu poefli, bunæoaræ cu Gherasim Luca? Sau, în general,cu poezia, literatura?I.G.: Nu. N-am fost în relaflii cu Luca.S.P.: A existat ceva la muzeu, la ARC, cu Luca. Chiar la început. Venise sæ facæ olecturæ cu Godibert øi a fost extraordinar! Era o voce care venea de altundeva, unsuflet foarte fizic, vocea originilor. A fost bulversant. Cred cæ tofli cei care au asistatla moment au fost profund marcafli.M.C.: Øi existæ înregistræri ce pot fi consultate?S.P.: Da, existæ. A fost magnific, dar foarte sumbru…H.U.O.: Lui Christian îi place mult genul…S.P.: Dar cred cæ au ceva în comun, într-adevær.M.C.: Iar acesta e un obiectiv pe care l-a construit…I.G.: Da, am montat obiective øi am încercat fel de fel de transformæri, ba chiar amconceput un fel de zoom. Øi fæceam fotografii cu ele.Traducere de Izabella BadiuM.C.: Yes, it was a huge crowd. All the country was involved in thesedemonstrations for the party, for the government. He used his ownshots and the TV images...S.P.: And you made a living from painting and restoration of Orthodoxchurches?I.G: First I was a drawing teacher in a school and then I turned torestoration, and I live from restoration work today still...H.U.O.: And what about these houses, where do they come from?I.G.: From all over Romania. Wooden houses are very common.H.U.O.: What’s the connection between them? The fact that they areall made of wood or is there any other common feature?I.G.: It is a complex question. There is also the human body,the measure of all things and objects in the traditional house.H.U.O.: Was there a time when you stopped painting or was it a permanentactivity?I.G.: In ’82–’83 I kind of stopped for a while, I was starting to work ina town in Oltenia, in Craiova, I got married, then the kids...H.U.O.: Your marriage...I.G.: Yes the second one. And it is true that it marked a pause in myexhibiting because I had no more contact with Bucharest...S.P.: And where is the core of the works you keep showing us? Here?At the museum?I.G.: There are things at the Contemporary Art Museum...M.C.: Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam also bought some works fromhim...S.P.: What exactly?M.C.: The Birth of the Revolution. It is a painting-installation.S.P.: Who came to buy it? Have you seen them?I.G.: No, it wasn’t like that. They had built the Wanderlieder exhibition,Wim Beeren organized it...H.U.O.: The former director, right?I.G.: Yes. And I think that it was his last exhibition. He conceived itwith monumental works that have been built on location...S.P.: Oh really? So it was all done in Amsterdam?I.G.: Yes. It was a large composition.H.U.O.: And have you had any relations with poets, with GherasimLuca for example? Or, more generally, with poetry, literature?I.G.: No. I didn’t know Luca.S.P.: There was an event at the museum, at L’ARC with Luca.In the very beginning. He came for a reading with Godibert and itwas extraordinary! He had a voice that came from somewhere else,a very physical soul, the voice of the origins. It was overwhelming.I think that all those present were deeply moved.M.C.: Are there any recordings that we might consult?S.P.: Yes, there are. It was magnificent but very bleak...H.U.O.: Christian loves that kind of thing...S.P.: But I think there is some resemblance.M.C.: This is a camera lens he made...I.G.: Yes I installed lenses and I tried all kinds of transformations andeven conceived a zoom. And then I took pictures with that.Translated by Izabella Badiu64